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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 9:01:33 GMT
You don't spend all your time fighting us and blocking us and expelling us and then expect our support. You have treated us like enemies. Why should we support you? As for doing more for working people you totally lost touch with the working class and came to believe we no longer existed. You did nothing to rein in the growth of zero hours type shit, nor did you do much for us on housing. After 13 years in office landlords could still charge whatever they wanted and evict tenants for no reason. And you built less council houses than Thatcher. You also opened the flood gate to eastern Europe and did nothing to prevent employers exploiting cheap labour from there to drive down working class pay. And when we complained about that you called us racists. So don't give me all that guff about how much you did for working people, or compare yourselves to Attlee. You drove working people into the arms of Brexit. Wasn't that a Labour policy at the begining of the Blair government and, after a while, did he not say it would be dealt with? Possibly. Blair was not averse to uttering false promises. The typical Labour centrist needs to be judged on what he does, not what he says. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 6, 2022 9:03:25 GMT
One thing Blairites tend to have in common with Tories is naked self interest. It is one of the things we on the left despise them for. You despise them for living in the real world despite the fact that they did more for working people than any Labour government since Clem Attlee's? Left-wingers deserve the Tory domination that plagues this country. Did they? no housing, mass unskilled immigration, sold the NHS to investment bankers, created a recession that created the largest unrecoverable debt ever, so on and so forth. As they set out to change the countries demographic, they sure managed that in more than one way. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 6, 2022 9:33:00 GMT
You despise them for living in the real world despite the fact that they did more for working people than any Labour government since Clem Attlee's? Left-wingers deserve the Tory domination that plagues this country. You don't spend all your time fighting us and blocking us and expelling us and then expect our support. You have treated us like enemies. Why should we support you? As for doing more for working people you totally lost touch with the working class and came to believe we no longer existed. You did nothing to rein in the growth of zero hours type shit, nor did you do much for us on housing. After 13 years in office landlords could still charge whatever they wanted and evict tenants for no reason. And you built less council houses than Thatcher. You also opened the flood gate to eastern Europe and did nothing to prevent employers exploiting cheap labour from there to drive down working class pay. And when we complained about that you called us racists. So don't give me all that guff about how much you did for working people, or compare yourselves to Attlee. You drove working people into the arms of Brexit. 1. Left-wingers have had more than enough time to prove themselves, they failed allowing the Conservatives to totally dominate parliament for the last 70 years. (With the exception of the NL years) 2. IIRC Zero hours (which was voluntarily welcomed by some) expanded in the latter days of the NL government. And should have been tackled. Both parties agreed in 2010 that this issue needed to be addressed 3. NL produced more housing over all for the less well off the figures were given recently on this forum. Rents would have followed the market. Thatcher sold off many council houses. 4. The so called opening of the flood gates, (Tory propaganda language) saw unemployment lower than when NL came to office. Virtually full employment after nearly two decades of high unemployment under the Tories was also a positive for the less well off. The cheap labour claim is a myth, except for the likes of fruit pickers. The introduction of the Minimum Wage lifted the earning of millions of people. I never called or thought of anyone as a racist in that situation. Help for the lower paid came in many ways like: Access to good health. State schools dramatically improved beginning with the abolition of Thatcher's Grant Maintained Schools which saw most state schools well underfunded. Remember her university refused to give her an Honorary Degree because of the damage she did to state education. (NL vastly improved the number of schools recognised as good. One by NL you might like is when family allowance payments were taken away from the male tax allowance (?) and paid directly to Mothers. I'm sure there were many more positives from NL if the research is done. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 6, 2022 9:34:51 GMT
You don't spend all your time fighting us and blocking us and expelling us and then expect our support. You have treated us like enemies. Why should we support you? As for doing more for working people you totally lost touch with the working class and came to believe we no longer existed. You did nothing to rein in the growth of zero hours type shit, nor did you do much for us on housing. After 13 years in office landlords could still charge whatever they wanted and evict tenants for no reason. And you built less council houses than Thatcher. You also opened the flood gate to eastern Europe and did nothing to prevent employers exploiting cheap labour from there to drive down working class pay. And when we complained about that you called us racists. So don't give me all that guff about how much you did for working people, or compare yourselves to Attlee. You drove working people into the arms of Brexit. 1. Left-wingers have had more than enough time to prove themselves, they failed allowing the Conservatives to totally dominate parliament for the last 70 years. (With the exception of the NL years) 2. IIRC Zero hours (which was voluntarily welcomed by some) expanded in the latter days of the NL government. And should have been tackled. Both parties agreed in 2010 that this issue needed to be addressed 3. NL produced more housing over all for the less well off the figures were given recently on this forum. Rents would have followed the market. Thatcher sold off many council houses. 4. The so called opening of the flood gates, (Tory propaganda language) saw unemployment lower than when NL came to office. Virtually full employment after nearly two decades of high unemployment under the Tories was also a positive for the less well off. The cheap labour claim is a myth, except for the likes of fruit pickers. The introduction of the Minimum Wage lifted the earning of millions of people. I never called or thought of anyone as a racist in that situation. Help for the lower paid came in many ways like: Access to good health. State schools dramatically improved beginning with the abolition of Thatcher's Grant Maintained Schools which saw most state schools well underfunded. Remember her university refused to give her an Honorary Degree because of the damage she did to state education. (NL vastly improved the number of schools recognised as good. One by NL you might like is when family allowance payments were taken away from the male tax allowance (?) and paid directly to Mothers. I'm sure there were many more positives from NL if the research is done. Of course, I was expecting you to admit they were a shambles and pure liars, not, no I was expecting you to cover for them. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 6, 2022 9:46:26 GMT
Wasn't that a Labour policy at the begining of the Blair government and, after a while, did he not say it would be dealt with? Possibly. Blair was not averse to uttering false promises. The typical Labour centrist needs to be judged on what he does, not what he says. Blair is often referred to as a liar or indirectly as by yourself of uttering false promises. I can't remember how many times I have asked for a documented / quoted, list for any of these accusations. People should remember that NL kept the Conservatives out of office for the longest period of time, certainly since WWII. For the more naive of readers, that meant that NL were the butt of many lies and insinuated lies via various sources of anti-NL propaganda. How would it not be? |
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Post by see2 on Dec 6, 2022 9:50:01 GMT
1. Left-wingers have had more than enough time to prove themselves, they failed allowing the Conservatives to totally dominate parliament for the last 70 years. (With the exception of the NL years) 2. IIRC Zero hours (which was voluntarily welcomed by some) expanded in the latter days of the NL government. And should have been tackled. Both parties agreed in 2010 that this issue needed to be addressed 3. NL produced more housing over all for the less well off the figures were given recently on this forum. Rents would have followed the market. Thatcher sold off many council houses. 4. The so called opening of the flood gates, (Tory propaganda language) saw unemployment lower than when NL came to office. Virtually full employment after nearly two decades of high unemployment under the Tories was also a positive for the less well off. The cheap labour claim is a myth, except for the likes of fruit pickers. The introduction of the Minimum Wage lifted the earning of millions of people. I never called or thought of anyone as a racist in that situation. Help for the lower paid came in many ways like: Access to good health. State schools dramatically improved beginning with the abolition of Thatcher's Grant Maintained Schools which saw most state schools well underfunded. Remember her university refused to give her an Honorary Degree because of the damage she did to state education. (NL vastly improved the number of schools recognised as good. One by NL you might like is when family allowance payments were taken away from the male tax allowance (?) and paid directly to Mothers. I'm sure there were many more positives from NL if the research is done. Of course, I was expecting you to admit they were a shambles and pure liars, not, no I was expecting you to cover for them. Only a political illiterate could post such an immature post as yours ^^. Why don't you try posting from honesty instead of your obvious bias? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 6, 2022 13:08:09 GMT
You despise them for living in the real world despite the fact that they did more for working people than any Labour government since Clem Attlee's? Left-wingers deserve the Tory domination that plagues this country. Did they? no housing, mass unskilled immigration, sold the NHS to investment bankers, created a recession that created the largest unrecoverable debt ever, so on and so forth. As they set out to change the countries demographic, they sure managed that in more than one way. You think that Labour "created" the global recession of 2008? That's seriously weird on a political forum. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 6, 2022 14:26:15 GMT
That poster is FULL of nonsense, he's so far off course he shouldn't be debating politics.
I bet he reads pro-Tory newspapers he clearly collects and believes any anti-NL garbage he can find.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 6, 2022 15:51:46 GMT
Did they? no housing, mass unskilled immigration, sold the NHS to investment bankers, created a recession that created the largest unrecoverable debt ever, so on and so forth. As they set out to change the countries demographic, they sure managed that in more than one way. You think that Labour "created" the global recession of 2008? That's seriously weird on a political forum. LOL they just denied there was one and said even if there were one, we were best placed to deal with it. More lies then. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 6, 2022 16:13:29 GMT
That poster is FULL of nonsense, he's so far off course he shouldn't be debating politics. I bet he reads pro-Tory newspapers he clearly collects and believes any anti-NL garbage he can find. See if I care when it all goes bottom up yet again. Because people like yourself don't have a clue what you actually vote for, I will just laugh. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 6, 2022 19:27:17 GMT
You think that Labour "created" the global recession of 2008? That's seriously weird on a political forum. LOL they just denied there was one and said even if there were one, we were best placed to deal with it. More lies then. Who did? |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 6, 2022 19:28:40 GMT
LOL they just denied there was one and said even if there were one, we were best placed to deal with it. More lies then. Who did? Gordon Brown did as a member of the New Labour globalists. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 6, 2022 19:33:49 GMT
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Post by sheepy on Dec 6, 2022 20:11:26 GMT
Well, he did then said we are best placed to face one. Short memories new labour supporters. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 6, 2022 20:22:54 GMT
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