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Post by see2 on Nov 29, 2022 11:51:03 GMT
Is there anything Starmer isn't going to do if he becomes Prime Minister lol So far he's doing away with the House of Lords, having no economic migrants, putting pay to private schools charitable status, what's he going to promise us next? The sad part is, people might actually believe him. If what you posted is all true, then Righties can stop claiming that Starmer has no plans for the future. Other than that, the question was does anyone think that any government could take the UK back into the EU without a referendum? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 29, 2022 12:00:24 GMT
Is there anything Starmer isn't going to do if he becomes Prime Minister lol So far he's doing away with the House of Lords, having no economic migrants, putting pay to private schools charitable status, what's he going to promise us next? The sad part is, people might actually believe him. If what you posted is all true, then Righties can stop claiming that Starmer has no plans for the future. Other than that, the question was does anyone think that any government could take the UK back into the EU without a referendum? There's a big difference in 'plans' and lies, he also said he had no plans of hooking back up with the EU, that's lies too, he'll make sure we hook back up with the EU by the backdoor, like Nick Clegg Lib-dems when he joined a coalition with the Tories, Lib-dems manifesto was to abolish tuition fees, and what did he do ... yes you go it ... he voted along with the Tories to RAISE tuition fees, lol there you have it ... promises promises promises. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 29, 2022 16:38:28 GMT
If I judge the mood music correctly almost all politicians from every camp are in favour of greater ties with the EU.
Even the right wing Tories are moving away from Johnsons confrontational approach.
And I see that wonderous freer trade we were going to have with China has also crashed and burned.
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Post by thomas on Nov 30, 2022 8:07:00 GMT
i stand by everything i have said. Labour have been promising to abolish the house of lords for a century if not more.
Take action to abolish the undemocratic House of Lords as quickly as possible
and here we have starmers latest weasel words on the subject....
Keir Starmer: I will abolish House of Lords to ‘restore trust in politics’
I would argue tony blairs failed tinkering of the lords left us ( as ever) in an even greater mess than before , with the lords being stacked with labour party toadies .
Anyone believeing these labour party clowns on stuff like abolishing the lords needs their heads examined.
Your point about Labour historically wanting to abolish the HoL's is not in dispute and has already been addressed. Where? 100 years and counting , with labour in power many times , and the best they can do is some very poor tinkering that no one is happy with?
What isnt clearly in dispute is labour cant be trusted.
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Post by thomas on Nov 30, 2022 8:10:09 GMT
# spits out coffee#
For an aobjective and extremely impartial view on the matter and other political issues , we know who to come to dont we?
See 2 , the innocent bystander and extremely impartial objective poster who wishes to tell us without prejudice what a nice man that keir starmer is .
Im praying starmer does what i and many others think he is going to do , take the uk back in by the back door and attempt to secretly tie the uk in bit by bit .
You know , i used to think it nothing more than the overbearing arrognace of the dimwits in the labour party and how they thought everyone else was more stupid than they.....but now? Im conviced they actually believe the total guff they spout on a daily basis.
Do you really think that any UK government has the ability to take the UK back into the EU without a referendum? If starmer could be a cheerleader in overturning a democratic referendum result , trying every trick in the book from 2016 to 2019 to deny democracy , im sure taking the uk back into the EU behind closed doors when he falls into power will be a walk in the park.
Of course his cardinal playground mistake is promising all people all things and trying to face both ways over brexit , which will of course eventually catch up with him as it always does with the low watt lighbulbs in the labour party.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 30, 2022 8:16:04 GMT
I think you are still labouring under the illusion that Brexit has massive support among the public.
More what to re-join than stay out. Even more just want it to go away.
To date its not delivered a single thing it promised and most folks have accepted it never will.
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Post by see2 on Nov 30, 2022 12:44:37 GMT
If what you posted is all true, then Righties can stop claiming that Starmer has no plans for the future. Other than that, the question was does anyone think that any government could take the UK back into the EU without a referendum? There's a big difference in 'plans' and lies, he also said he had no plans of hooking back up with the EU, that's lies too, he'll make sure we hook back up with the EU by the backdoor, like Nick Clegg Lib-dems when he joined a coalition with the Tories, Lib-dems manifesto was to abolish tuition fees, and what did he do ... yes you go it ... he voted along with the Tories to RAISE tuition fees, lol there you have it ... promises promises promises. So, you acknowledge that Starmer does have things to go onto a Manifesto, that's a bit of progress. Your imagined idea that Starmer could take the UK back into the EU by the back door is ridiculous, there would be an uproar of protest if he even tried to do that. You just work and work and work in your attempt to instill your nonsense into the minds of others. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 30, 2022 12:50:25 GMT
There's a big difference in 'plans' and lies, he also said he had no plans of hooking back up with the EU, that's lies too, he'll make sure we hook back up with the EU by the backdoor, like Nick Clegg Lib-dems when he joined a coalition with the Tories, Lib-dems manifesto was to abolish tuition fees, and what did he do ... yes you go it ... he voted along with the Tories to RAISE tuition fees, lol there you have it ... promises promises promises. So, you acknowledge that Starmer does have things to go onto a Manifesto, that's a bit of progress. Your imagined idea that Starmer could take the UK back into the EU by the back door is ridiculous, there would be an uproar of protest if he even tried to do that.
You just work and work and work in your attempt to instill your nonsense into the minds of others. Exactly what Starmer does. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 30, 2022 12:54:03 GMT
Do you really think that any UK government has the ability to take the UK back into the EU without a referendum? If starmer could be a cheerleader in overturning a democratic referendum result , trying every trick in the book from 2016 to 2019 to deny democracy , im sure taking the uk back into the EU behind closed doors when he falls into power will be a walk in the park.
Of course his cardinal playground mistake is promising all people all things and trying to face both ways over brexit , which will of course eventually catch up with him as it always does with the low watt lighbulbs in the labour party.
If your contrived accusation against Starmer is true, then his "every trick in the book" (which you do not have a snowball's chance in hell of proving) evidently failed. Starmer is on record as accepting that Brexit is done and that he accepts it. I think you need to drop at least some of your overwhelming bias if you desire to produce a sensible post. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 30, 2022 12:55:54 GMT
So, you acknowledge that Starmer does have things to go onto a Manifesto, that's a bit of progress. Your imagined idea that Starmer could take the UK back into the EU by the back door is ridiculous, there would be an uproar of protest if he even tried to do that.
You just work and work and work in your attempt to instill your nonsense into the minds of others. Exactly what Starmer does. Proving just how lacking in substance your posts can get. Are you a right-winger? Just curious. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 30, 2022 12:58:53 GMT
Exactly what Starmer does. Proving just how lacking in substance your posts can get. Are you a right-winger? Just curious. Center when I can be, so far no political party is catering for the likes of me. |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 30, 2022 13:09:40 GMT
Nor me, but I certainly know who I will never vote for
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Post by see2 on Nov 30, 2022 13:12:17 GMT
Your point about Labour historically wanting to abolish the HoL's is not in dispute and has already been addressed. Where? 100 years and counting , with labour in power many times , and the best they can do is some very poor tinkering that no one is happy with?
What isnt clearly in dispute is labour cant be trusted.
Addressed numerous times. In the historical period that Labour wanted to abolish the HoL's the house was mainly filled with Conservative peers put there by inheriting their peerage. That was why Labour wanted to abolish it. Blair put an end to that by getting rid of most of them, the few remaining are the last of the line that will be in the House. To reform the House was in NL's manifesto and that is what NL did. There was no promise to abolish the House by NL. While Starmer says he wants to abolish the House, he does not want to abolish the job done in the House, he wants to replace it with an elected chamber. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 30, 2022 13:13:18 GMT
Proving just how lacking in substance your posts can get. Are you a right-winger? Just curious. Center when I can be, so far no political party is catering for the likes of me. Then there must be many things we can agree on. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 30, 2022 13:18:58 GMT
Nor me, but I certainly know who I will never vote for There will never be a Party that totally suits everyone or anyone that votes for it. That is why Parties are inevitably a broad church. Personally I could never have and never did vote for either Corbyn or Thatcher, both were too extreme for me. |
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