Lawless London..

I think the problem is that there are too many "chiefs". Who's meant to be responsible for the mess that London has become? Is it Sadiq Khan who's the Mayor of London (and therefore London crime commissioner) or is it the head of the Met (Mark Rowley)? Or is it the Home Secretary (Cleverly) or even the PM?

It seems to be Khan who's pulling the strings - and being allowed to do it by the other three, who are afraid to offend the muslims. And Khan is a hard-line muslim who is intent on completely changing the character of London. Khan will be very happy if the remaining few whites and Jews move out of London. He's intent on making it Londonistan - a cesspit just like any other muslim large city. That'll be "job done" for Khan. Lee Anderson was dead right that Khan is is controlled by the "islamists" - he is one.

The reality is the Met like other UK Police Forces do not have a enough Officers to deal with all and everything as IMO they would like no where near enough, about 10 days ago the Met led a large intelligence led operation which included other Forces across England and Wales smashed another County Lines Drug Dealers network

The Met made 300 arrests in London alone many others were arrested across England Wales, large amount of drugs and cash were seized, plus Firearms and various others weapons, a lot of vulnerable children who had been forced by the Drug Gangs to sell and ferry the drugs were rescued.

The amount of serious cases awaiting to be dealt with by the Courts show even with depleted numbers they are still taking criminals off our streets every day, on top of that since Hamas attacked Israel and all the large Protest marches every weekend , that means 2,000 Officers have to be taken off their normal duties week in week out that is why they are unable to do their day to day job.

Well said Handyman ,I know a few coppers and realise they do some sterling work like you describe . For the average Joe though who is affected by low level crime its not a good look when we see the Met turning up mob handed for what could be dealt with by one uniform or as you say thousands overseeing a peace march (cough) 

Id say take  a few off the march and help get my fecking tools back   If I knew where he lived I'd go and get them myself ,they haven't even got to leave the yard .

Its not lawless, London is the same as any backstreet in the West Indies, Pakistan or Afghanistan. For the population this is normality. Now to impose british law and order, now thats different.

I want Robocop out there  

White flight. I left about 15 years ago when it began to feel like a foreign country.

More than one in five police officers are planning to resign in the next two years, research suggests, with plans to fight for greater industrial rights gathering pace.

The Police Federation of England and Wales said around 22% of respondents to its annual pay and morale survey signalled their intention to quit, up from 18% the previous year.

More than 9,000 left the service in the year to March 2023.

A total of 28,070 responses from 29,085 officers were analysed as part of the survey, out of more than 145,000 from the rank of constable to chief inspector who are members of the federation.

Eighty-five percent of those polled said they are not fairly paid given the dangers they face in the job, with 15% saying they had suffered one or more injuries in the past year.

And 18% said they never or almost never have enough money to cover essentials.

This followed a separate poll earlier this month by police finance provider Metfriendly which found that a fifth of officers had skipped meals to save money in the past year.

Federation chairman Steve Hartshorn said: “It is unsurprising thousands of police officers are looking to resign and would not recommend joining the service to others when their pay has been eroded over the years and fails to keep up with other public sector workers.

Mr Hartshorn called for pay levels to reflect the hazards that officers face in the job.

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“At a critical time where the police service is looking to rebuild eroded public confidence, a sustained recruitment and retention programme is needed to meet demand and deliver.

“The numbers we currently have are not enough and we are haemorrhaging officers.

“We do not need to scratch our heads wondering why they are quitting, because the evidence is right here, with unfair pay at the centre of it all.

“A fair pay mechanism is urgently needed, namely the ‘P-Factor’ – a payment for remunerating officers for the harm they may encounter while carrying out their duties, among other restrictions.”

The Federation announced in October that officers would be balloted on whether they should seek greater industrial rights.

Currently officers have no right to strike because they are not technically employees; instead, they are Crown servants.

This means that, while they do not have industrial rights, they also cannot be sacked unless there is a conduct issue.

Mr Hartshorn said members will vote on whether to seek the right to collective bargaining, and binding arbitration on pay and conditions, as soon as practicable this year.


Last week, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley called for a pay rise for officers at or above inflation, with London Weighting increased by at least £2,000.

He also wants the lowest salary levels abolished and chief officers given greater powers to set starting pay.