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Post by wapentake on Mar 16, 2024 22:59:46 GMT
You are correct insomuch as, no one is willing to admit the country is being flooded with Jihadis, to do so would obviously be political suicide. But with thousands of young Muslim men crossing the channel every year, conformation is hardly required. It is probably impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff in terms of who is an actual refugee, or an economic migrant - presumably hear to work, or an actual Jihadi intent on doing harm. Looking at the lack of Islamist terrorism in the UK I think your 'flooded with Jihadis' comment is well over the top. Yes Salman Abedi was a poor misunderstood individual who sought only to make concert goers aware of his legitimate grievances. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 17, 2024 0:27:32 GMT
Looking at the lack of Islamist terrorism in the UK I think your 'flooded with Jihadis' comment is well over the top. You cant be serious? For Christ sake, I think you might be, Jesus this is something special. For the benefit of See2... 2005 - link
2013 - link2017 - link2017 - link2017 - A bomb wrapped in a plastic grocery bag concealed in a bucket exploded at the height of the morning rush at the London Underground. ISIL claimed responsibility for the bombing. 2019 - link
And you see2 claim we have a 'lack' of Islamist terrorism in the UK. I'm bound to ask, how much in your opinion would be enough? |
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Post by Orac on Mar 17, 2024 8:24:27 GMT
Yes but i was specific. If you are in favour of flooding the UK with Jihadis and you are also very concerned by 'rising extremism' in the UK then you are either a buffoon or a liar. Here is a vaguely related video to show that i'm not the only one who feels these people are total arses. Morgoth's Review : No one is in favour of flooding the country with Jihadis so the only buffoon is yourself. The point was the logical connection between them being allowed to enter the country, them being in the country rather than in the in their home country and 'rising extremism' in the uk. This is a logical connection you appear to want to avoid at all costs. If you were actually concerned about extremism , you wouldn't be avoiding this. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 17, 2024 8:38:36 GMT
It is probably impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff in terms of who is an actual refugee, or an economic migrant - presumably hear to work, or an actual Jihadi intent on doing harm. Looking at the lack of Islamist terrorism in the UK I think your 'flooded with Jihadis' comment is well over the top. Yes Salman Abedi was a poor misunderstood individual who sought only to make concert goers aware of his legitimate grievances. What point are you making? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 17, 2024 8:39:48 GMT
It is probably impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff in terms of who is an actual refugee, or an economic migrant - presumably hear to work, or an actual Jihadi intent on doing harm. Looking at the lack of Islamist terrorism in the UK I think your 'flooded with Jihadis' comment is well over the top. Are you joking?  Reread my post. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 17, 2024 8:43:31 GMT
Looking at the lack of Islamist terrorism in the UK I think your 'flooded with Jihadis' comment is well over the top. You cant be serious? For Christ sake, I think you might be, Jesus this is something special. For the benefit of See2... 2005 - link
2013 - link2017 - link2017 - link2017 - A bomb wrapped in a plastic grocery bag concealed in a bucket exploded at the height of the morning rush at the London Underground. ISIL claimed responsibility for the bombing. 2019 - link
And you see2 claim we have a 'lack' of Islamist terrorism in the UK. I'm bound to ask, how much in your opinion would be enough? I made the comparison between the number of acts of Islamic terrorism and the comment of "being flooded with Jihadis". If you guys could read without jumping to conclusions it could improve the levels of debate. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 17, 2024 8:47:44 GMT
No one is in favour of flooding the country with Jihadis so the only buffoon is yourself. The point was the logical connection between them being allowed to enter the country, them being in the country rather than in the in their home country and 'rising extremism' in the uk. This is a logical connection you appear to want to avoid at all costs. If you were actually concerned about extremism , you wouldn't be avoiding this. You have had your explanation, your inability to understand and to try and twist the point to suit your own nonsense, is your problem. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 17, 2024 8:55:15 GMT
The point was the logical connection between them being allowed to enter the country, them being in the country rather than in the in their home country and 'rising extremism' in the uk. This is a logical connection you appear to want to avoid at all costs. If you were actually concerned about extremism , you wouldn't be avoiding this. You have had your explanation, your inability to understand and to try and twist the point to suit your own nonsense, is your problem. - You are concerned about rising extremism in the UK, but also feel we should continue to allow large flows of Muslims from the middle east into the UK? |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 17, 2024 9:07:57 GMT
Yes Salman Abedi was a poor misunderstood individual who sought only to make concert goers aware of his legitimate grievances. What point are you making? That we suffer the terrorism because of people like you and those you idolise aka as Blair who with his adventures with Bush made the world a much more dangerous place for us and the people who live there are you so politically blind to the aftermath we face now? On other threads you rant and rave about the terrorism Israel faces and then want to invite them to come and live here. |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 17, 2024 10:27:30 GMT
What point are you making? That we suffer the terrorism because of people like you and those you idolise aka as Blair who with his adventures with Bush made the world a much more dangerous place for us and the people who live there are you so politically blind to the aftermath we face now? On other threads you rant and rave about the terrorism Israel faces and then want to invite them to come and live here. What about the commie supporting HAMMAS. What would Corbyn do to fight Terrorism put up the white Flag . Has for making excuses for the IslamiSt terror attacks you seem to think they have a legitimate course blaming Bush and Blair. Do you think the IRA. Have a legitimate course. Corbyn thinks HAMMAS has |
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Post by see2 on Mar 17, 2024 14:29:55 GMT
What point are you making? That we suffer the terrorism because of people like you and those you idolise aka as Blair who with his adventures with Bush made the world a much more dangerous place for us and the people who live there are you so politically blind to the aftermath we face now? On other threads you rant and rave about the terrorism Israel faces and then want to invite them to come and live here. Please try thinking through that which you want to post, it would stop you posting lies about me along with your screwed up personal opinions. I never rant and rave, if you see things like that it is down to what's going on in YOUR mind, not mine. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 17, 2024 14:38:53 GMT
You have had your explanation, your inability to understand and to try and twist the point to suit your own nonsense, is your problem. - You are concerned about rising extremism in the UK, but also feel we should continue to allow large flows of Muslims from the middle east into the UK?Ending a lie with a question mark still leaves the insinuated lie. I HAVE NEVER, NEVER EVER, EVEN SUGGESTED THAT I WANT LARGE AMOUNTS OF MUSLIMS IN THIS COUNTRY. While I accept that most Muslims are almost certainly peace loving people, it is Islam the religion which I see as being seriously flawed. It is the flaw that will eventually produce enough extremists that will eventually threaten serious violence in this country. PS, Here's the latest on Mr. Swastika. MSN: "Among the issues Trump is campaigning on is sweeping reform of what he calls Biden's "horror show" immigration policies, despite the ex-president successfully pressuring Republicans to block a bill in Congress that included the toughest border security measures in decades."
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Post by Orac on Mar 17, 2024 14:58:23 GMT
So - You are concerned about rising extremism in the UK, but also feel we should continue to allow large flows of Muslims from the middle east into the UK? While I accept that most Muslims are almost certainly peace loving people, it is Islam the religion which I see as being seriously flawed. It is the flaw that will eventually produce enough extremists that will eventually threaten serious violence in this country.
It's certainly refreshing to hear you talking in such clear and forthright terms on the matter. I take it you were also a supporter of Trump's 'Muslim ban' and were dismayed by the criticism of it? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 17, 2024 23:55:23 GMT
While I accept that most Muslims are almost certainly peace loving people, it is Islam the religion which I see as being seriously flawed. It is the flaw that will eventually produce enough extremists that will eventually threaten serious violence in this country.
It's certainly refreshing to hear you talking in such clear and forthright terms on the matter. I take it you were also a supporter of Trump's 'Muslim ban' and were dismayed by the criticism of it? If you didn't indulge in kidding yourself that you knew what others think there would have been no need for me to treat you like a child. You have had your dumb approach to ignoring Trump's blockage of the border Bill explained and just ignored it. I don't believe you will ever be adult enough to indulge in serious debate. |
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