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Post by Orac on Mar 14, 2024 14:39:47 GMT
Part of the clarifications on extremism being issued by the government will, I believe, come as some relief to those concerned about Muslim / Islamic influence now and in the future within the UK. It includes 'seeking to undermine Britain's liberal democracy and tolerance'. I feel sure that will upset those extremist elements that aim to do just that. That's the danger of course. That the very people who petitioned for us to import millions of Muslims, will now use their presence as an opportunity to silence the very people who said the whole thing was a bad idea all along. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 14, 2024 20:43:44 GMT
Part of the clarifications on extremism being issued by the government will, I believe, come as some relief to those concerned about Muslim / Islamic influence now and in the future within the UK. It includes 'seeking to undermine Britain's liberal democracy and tolerance'. I feel sure that will upset those extremist elements that aim to do just that. That's the danger of course. That the very people who petitioned for us to import millions of Muslims, will now use their presence as an opportunity to silence the very people who said the whole thing was a bad idea all along. The number of Muslims in the UK doubled between 1981 and 1991. all Tory years. --"That the very people who petitioned for us to import millions of Muslims"-- ?? No such thing ever happened as far as I'm aware. Please post any proof you have of any such 'petition'. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 14, 2024 20:53:15 GMT
That's the danger of course. That the very people who petitioned for us to import millions of Muslims, will now use their presence as an opportunity to silence the very people who said the whole thing was a bad idea all along. The number of Muslims in the UK doubled between 1981 and 1991. all Tory years. Hard to even know what your point is here - the Tories are currently also making suspiciously vague speeches about 'extremism' Btw between 1997 and 2010 the number more or less doubled again. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 15, 2024 10:35:29 GMT
The number of Muslims in the UK doubled between 1981 and 1991. all Tory years. Hard to even know what your point is here - the Tories are currently also making suspiciously vague speeches about 'extremism' Btw between 1997 and 2010 the number more or less doubled again. So you posted what appears to be a lie about people petitioning for the importing of "millions" of Muslims, then completely ignore my question about your claim. My figures for the doubling of the number of Muslims in the country from 1981 to 1991 come from the 1991 census. Where do you get your claim from for the period 1997 to 2010? Is it just a made up lie? I get the impression that your posts have about as much respect for the truth as that lying moron Trump. Birds of a feather? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 15, 2024 11:13:41 GMT
So you posted what appears to be a lie about people petitioning for the importing of "millions" of Muslims, then completely ignore my question about your claim. My figures for the doubling of the number of Muslims in the country from 1981 to 1991 come from the 1991 census. Where do you get your claim from for the period 1997 to 2010? Is it just a made up lie? I get the impression that your posts have about as much respect for the truth as that lying moron Trump. Birds of a feather? Perhaps not millions, but the Jewish Holocaust survivor and refugee rights advocate 'Lord' Alf Dubs certainly lobbied the government to admit thousands of (mainly) Muslim child refugees.
More recently he has been calling for the government to create a scheme admitting Palestinian refugees from Gaza, along similar lines to the existing one for Ukrainians.
Lord Dubs's campaigns appear to be consistent with 'official' Jewish policy on Muslim immigration to the UK, as set out by the Board of Deputies of British Jews. Its President, Marie van Zyl, wrote in 2022: “We condemn adverse remarks about Muslim immigration and Muslim communities." While not explicitly calling for Muslim immigration in the millions or even thousands, the BODBJ doesn't appear to find much to be concerned about. Van Zyl wrote also "The Board of Deputies has a longstanding commitment to confront anti Muslim hatred within the Jewish community."
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Post by see2 on Mar 15, 2024 11:20:33 GMT
So you posted what appears to be a lie about people petitioning for the importing of "millions" of Muslims, then completely ignore my question about your claim. My figures for the doubling of the number of Muslims in the country from 1981 to 1991 come from the 1991 census. Where do you get your claim from for the period 1997 to 2010? Is it just a made up lie? I get the impression that your posts have about as much respect for the truth as that lying moron Trump. Birds of a feather? Perhaps not millions, but the Jewish Holocaust survivor and refugee rights advocate 'Lord' Alf Dubs certainly lobbied the government to admit thousands of (mainly) Muslim child refugees.
More recently he has been calling for the government to create a scheme admitting Palestinian refugees from Gaza, along similar lines to the existing one for Ukrainians.
Lord Dubs's campaigns appear to be consistent with 'official' Jewish policy on Muslim immigration to the UK, as set out by the Board of Deputies of British Jews. Its President, Marie van Zyl, wrote in 2022: “We condemn adverse remarks about Muslim immigration and Muslim communities." While not explicitly calling for Muslim immigration in the millions or even thousands, the BODBJ doesn't appear to find much to be concerned about. Van Zyl wrote also "The Board of Deputies has a longstanding commitment to confront anti Muslim hatred within the Jewish community."
I think there is a difference between people petitioning for change and someone lobbying the government for change. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 15, 2024 11:23:12 GMT
Can you elaborate?
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 15, 2024 11:35:40 GMT
Hard to even know what your point is here - the Tories are currently also making suspiciously vague speeches about 'extremism' Btw between 1997 and 2010 the number more or less doubled again. So you posted what appears to be a lie about people petitioning for the importing of "millions" of Muslims, then completely ignore my question about your claim. My figures for the doubling of the number of Muslims in the country from 1981 to 1991 come from the 1991 census. Where do you get your claim from for the period 1997 to 2010? Is it just a made up lie?I get the impression that your posts have about as much respect for the truth as that lying moron Trump. Birds of a feather? 2011 census |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2024 11:47:16 GMT
Part of the clarifications on extremism being issued by the government will, I believe, come as some relief to those concerned about Muslim / Islamic influence now and in the future within the UK. It includes 'seeking to undermine Britain's liberal democracy and tolerance'. I feel sure that will upset those extremist elements that aim to do just that. That's the danger of course. That the very people who petitioned for us to import millions of Muslims, will now use their presence as an opportunity to silence the very people who said the whole thing was a bad idea all along. Describing themselves as liberal and tolerant is the biggest lie of all.
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Post by Orac on Mar 15, 2024 12:02:15 GMT
Hard to even know what your point is here - the Tories are currently also making suspiciously vague speeches about 'extremism' Btw between 1997 and 2010 the number more or less doubled again. So you posted what appears to be a lie about people petitioning for the importing of "millions" of Muslims, then completely ignore my question about your claim. My figures for the doubling of the number of Muslims in the country from 1981 to 1991 come from the 1991 census. Where do you get your claim from for the period 1997 to 2010? Is it just a made up lie? I get the impression that your posts have about as much respect for the truth as that lying moron Trump. Birds of a feather? You seem to be really stuck on this word 'petitioning'. Petition means to ask/ request. I'm not lying, you are just so desperate to find some flaw in what i'm saying, you are casting about for anything. Instead of engaging in dishonest argumentation by finding some irrelevant, technical language flaw, why not simply address the core of what i'm saying (which is obvious enough)? The 2011 census btw |
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Post by see2 on Mar 15, 2024 14:49:20 GMT
So you posted what appears to be a lie about people petitioning for the importing of "millions" of Muslims, then completely ignore my question about your claim. My figures for the doubling of the number of Muslims in the country from 1981 to 1991 come from the 1991 census. Where do you get your claim from for the period 1997 to 2010? Is it just a made up lie? I get the impression that your posts have about as much respect for the truth as that lying moron Trump. Birds of a feather? You seem to be really stuck on this word 'petitioning'. Petition means to ask/ request. I'm not lying, you are just so desperate to find some flaw in what i'm saying, you are casting about for anything. Instead of engaging in dishonest argumentation by finding some irrelevant, technical language flaw, why not simply address the core of what i'm saying (which is obvious enough)? The 2011 census btw Yes, petitioning people is to ask people, implying it was some sort of general consensus. One person lobbying the government is very different. --"The annual number of asylum applications to the UK peaked in 2002 at 84,132. After that the number fell sharply to reach a twenty-year low point of 17,916 in 2010. It rose steadily throughout the 2010s, then rapidly from 2021 onwards to reach 81,130 applications in 2022, |
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Post by ratcliff on Mar 15, 2024 15:29:12 GMT
Hard to even know what your point is here - the Tories are currently also making suspiciously vague speeches about 'extremism' Btw between 1997 and 2010 the number more or less doubled again. So you posted what appears to be a lie about people petitioning for the importing of "millions" of Muslims, then completely ignore my question about your claim. My figures for the doubling of the number of Muslims in the country from 1981 to 1991 come from the 1991 census. Where do you get your claim from for the period 1997 to 2010? Is it just a made up lie? I get the impression that your posts have about as much respect for the truth as that lying moron Trump. Birds of a feather? You really think that people answer the NOFYB ''religion'' question honestly in the census when there are so many exotic options available to tick ? I've been a Jedi in at least the last two - as have significant numbers of others (n.b I don't believe in sky fairies of any persuasion) |
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Post by Orac on Mar 15, 2024 15:49:19 GMT
You seem to be really stuck on this word 'petitioning'. Petition means to ask/ request. I'm not lying, you are just so desperate to find some flaw in what i'm saying, you are casting about for anything. Instead of engaging in dishonest argumentation by finding some irrelevant, technical language flaw, why not simply address the core of what i'm saying (which is obvious enough)? The 2011 census btw Yes, petitioning people is to ask people, implying it was some sort of general consensus. One person lobbying the government is very different. Asking doesn't imply a 'general consensus' at all. Those who were in favor of flooding the UK with Jihadis and goat herders petitioned directly or indirectly, positively or by negation These are the same sort of total buffoons who are now talking vaguely about 'the threat of extremism' Do you actually have any significant disagreement with what i'm saying, or is my use of one word the only thing that bothers you? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 15, 2024 21:21:45 GMT
So you posted what appears to be a lie about people petitioning for the importing of "millions" of Muslims, then completely ignore my question about your claim. My figures for the doubling of the number of Muslims in the country from 1981 to 1991 come from the 1991 census. Where do you get your claim from for the period 1997 to 2010? Is it just a made up lie? I get the impression that your posts have about as much respect for the truth as that lying moron Trump. Birds of a feather? You really think that people answer the NOFYB ''religion'' question honestly in the census when there are so many exotic options available to tick ? I've been a Jedi in at least the last two - as have significant numbers of others (n.b I don't believe in sky fairies of any persuasion) You are a sky fairy. An idiot Jedi voter who thinks you are amongst a significant number of others. LOL |
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Post by see2 on Mar 15, 2024 21:46:01 GMT
Yes, petitioning people is to ask people, implying it was some sort of general consensus. One person lobbying the government is very different. Asking doesn't imply a 'general consensus' at all. Those who were in favor of flooding the UK with Jihadis and goat herders petitioned directly or indirectly, positively or by negation These are the same sort of total buffoons who are now talking vaguely about 'the threat of extremism' Do you actually have any significant disagreement with what i'm saying, or is my use of one word the only thing that bothers you? Yes, those who belong in your imagination and have nothing to do with my post, as you expand to unknown information as facts. If you don't see a possible threat of extremism in the future suggests that your are the buffoon. Your persistence in avoiding the gist of my posts and importing your own points of imagination and then attempt to defend your deviations in your replies doesn't bother me, but I think it should bother you. So, the point is that you stated that people petitioned for an increase of millions of Muslims into the UK, and you make that claim without an iota of evidence. If you wish to debate you need to be able to make your posts clear and be able to back up your posts. |
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