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Post by sandypine on Mar 11, 2024 12:12:40 GMT
I see this has the lefties rattled.  Labour supporters must be whooping with delight at the prospect of a new party kicking lumps out of the Tories when the election comes… I think there are several aspects to that in that there are parties that risk putting a dent in both Tory and Labour voters. It depends much on how the polls are tallied and how much the electorate are influenced. What is noticeable is that many voters on either side are seriously disillusioned with the party they normally vote for and the stated intentions are not because they want the party they intend to vote it is just that they very much do not want the alternative. To a certain extent there is al to play for. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 11, 2024 12:13:29 GMT
Anderson had the whip suspended, he had not at that time been kicked out of the party.
Put together with the previous reports of him negotiating to join Reform, looks to me like the whole thing is manufactured.
It gives Reform their first MP, and reduces the government's majority by another 1.
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Post by ratcliff on Mar 11, 2024 12:14:32 GMT
The Tories should stand aside and give Reform a clear run. Do you think many traditional tories will vote reform? There Switching to labour Age will continue to be the key dividing line at the general election. The Tories are now the most popular party only among the over-70s, 43% of whom back the party. This is down from 67% in 2019, however, with Labour being the main beneficiaries, having increased their vote share among the oldest Britons from 14% to 23%. Britons in their 60s are split, with 33% backing Labour and 31% the Conservatives. The majority of Britons under-50 now say they will vote Labour. ''Traditional'' Tories don't vote Labour , they pick the independent ratepayer candidate , Monster Raving looney , or(maybe these days) Reform rather than stay at home and waste their vote |
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Post by Dogburger on Mar 11, 2024 12:19:18 GMT
Nine conservative MP's in talks with Reform . We have heard this all before when UKIP peaked but with the Conservatives going down it could happen . Getting re-elected though under a different banner will be the big challenge Going to increase the pressure on Sunak after the failure of last weeks Budget to move the dial. What odds another leadership challenge?.. The pressure is on for sure . Cant see there being a leadership challenge though they are too far down the road for that now .Sunak will just call the election if the letters start going in . He will resign and leave the country when he has been beaten . Any Tory thinking of defecting had better do it soon |
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Post by patman post on Mar 11, 2024 12:22:57 GMT
I see this has the lefties rattled. Completely the opposite actually, because allthough SOME Labour voters in traditional working class areas will vote Reform, there is far more likelyhood of Reform splitting the Tory vote. Remember that in the Conservative Heartlands of the Home Counties and the South, there are many "traditional" Conservatives, who will not vote Reform, and who will reject the far Right. I have always believed that there is no place in Britain for politics of the far Left or the far Right, and I still hold to that belief. Whilst Reform may have some limited success, they can never garner enough support to have any real influence, no different to the BNP, UKIP or George Galloways political party. Agree with 90% of that apart from the bit that Ukip had little influence. It was Ukip and Farage that lulled Cameron into thinking he could run and win the ill thought out and prepared for referendum that’s left the UK in the broken state the Far Right are pushing for now so that they can eventually turn into the White Knights bringing Britain back to the 1950’s… |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 11, 2024 12:26:20 GMT
Love the way that reform are now the 'far-right'.. |
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Post by bancroft on Mar 11, 2024 12:33:32 GMT
Never heard of him and his critique of Khan seems wrong and the wrong thing to attack Khan over. There are plenty of things to attack Khan over though I don't hear of him pushing Islam in London yet nor is he cracking down on it.
If it is about the marches then it is a police matter based on hate crimes and to a degree that is subjective.
I actually thought Anderson makes a good point about shopkeepers and crime yet he did not quit over that.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 11, 2024 12:40:41 GMT
I see this has the lefties rattled. Labour supporters must be whooping with delight at the prospect of a new party kicking lumps out of the Tories when the election comes… Labour do not need anyone to kick lumps out of their party as they do that to themselves.. |
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 11, 2024 12:49:41 GMT
On the Political Spectrum, Reform UK are comfortably nestled between the Right of the Conservative Party and the BNP. They are without question mildly ( to say the least ) xenophobic, intolerant of others and regressive.
Lee Anderson may not be as stupid than he sounds, he knew that with a Conservative label, his chances of re-election were not looking very good. He has played the Populist card in order to hopefuly increase his chances of re-election.
He peddled a pack of lies about Sadiq Khan and London, theres not an ounce of truth in any of his claims, but it goes down well with the "Pitchfork & Torch" mob.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 11, 2024 12:58:39 GMT
On the Political Spectrum, Reform UK are comfortably nestled between the Right of the Conservative Party and the BNP... That would make them a centre left party. Lee Anderson may not be as stupid than he sounds, he knew that with a Conservative label, his chances of re-election were not looking very good. He has played the Populist card in order to hopefuly increase his chances of re-election... That's the only bit you've got right. I see Reform being popular with the red wall. |
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 11, 2024 13:20:58 GMT
OVERVIEW
Founded by a former chairman of the National Front, John Tyndall, as the "New National Front" in 1980; the British National Party (BNP), as it became known in 1982, claims to be the United Kingdom's foremost nationalist political party. Its EXTREME RIGHT views and links to violent organizations ( Encyclopedia.com )
The British National Party (BNP) is a FAR-RIGHT, British fascist political party in the United Kingdom
(Wikipedia)
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 11, 2024 13:27:18 GMT
OVERVIEW Founded by a former chairman of the National Front, John Tyndall, as the "New National Front" in 1980; the British National Party (BNP), as it became known in 1982, claims to be the United Kingdom's foremost nationalist political party. Its EXTREME RIGHT views and links to violent organizations ( Encyclopedia.com ) The British National Party (BNP) is a FAR-RIGHT, British fascist political party in the United Kingdom (Wikipedia) According to someone on the internet.
Meanwhile, both the NF and the BNP were socialist parties - exactly like the very bad people.
The fact that they were also nationalist does not make them right wing. Any more than their anti-Semitism makes the Labour Party right wing.
Socialism is left wing but nationalism is neither right nor left wing.
Fascism and National Socialism are both forms of socialism. They are left wing.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 11, 2024 13:31:59 GMT
And while we're on the subject, nationalism aside, the policies of both the BNP and the NF were much more akin to those of Jeremy Corbyn or Michael Foot's Labour Party. Indeed, Michael Foot was the once-upon-a-time friend of Oswald Mosley (of the British Union of Fascists). And why wouldn't he be? They shared much of the same politics.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 11, 2024 13:36:12 GMT
Let's remind ourselves, shall we?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 11, 2024 13:38:39 GMT
They could almost be campaign slogans for the current Labour Party, couldn't they?
So Witchy, are you sure you know left from right?
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