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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 18, 2022 21:43:40 GMT
The management of the royal mail propose to scrap postal delivery on a Saturday.
There no indication how many job losses will happen but with 10, 000 jobs already in line for cuts.
It seems to be the end of the royal mail has we know it.
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 19, 2022 3:55:34 GMT
I'm in the middle of this.
Basically, the Royal Mail CEO has ripped up all the agreements it had with the CWU and gone to war with them. I have never seen anything like it, he is all over social media like a teenage troll, constantly goading the union and making threats to his workers. He has obviously asked his senior managers to go out of their way to wind up their staff in an effort to force a wildcat strike, so they can they run to the courts and get an injunction on the national strikes. I have never seen an atmosphere so toxic between managers and workers.
It is obvious to all why he is doing this. The share price has tumbled, allowing a large shareholder to increase his stake in the company ready for a takeover. Who just so happens to a billionaire that has made his money in the European parcel business.
So now we get to the universal service (letters). Nobody wants it. It is impossible to make money from. There is a national network of trucks, trains, planes and vans that have to run 24/7 even if there is no mail... because there might be some, and the 1st class, 2nd class promises have to be kept. So, what Royal Mail want to do is run the universal service down, first no Saturdays, then it will be three times a week, then twice, then once... and probably delivered by some gormless agency worker on the cheap.
The 10,000 job cuts are a red herring. Royal Mail has spent the last few years building parcel & packet sorting capacity. eg If your Amazon order can fit through the letter box then Royal Mail probably delivered it. They basically want to replace your postie with an "owner driver" ie self-employed twat in a battered white van doing his best Hermes impression.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 19, 2022 4:21:06 GMT
I'm in the middle of this. Basically, the Royal Mail CEO has ripped up all the agreements it had with the CWU and gone to war with them. I have never seen anything like it, he is all over social media like a teenage troll, constantly goading the union and making threats to his workers. He has obviously asked his senior managers to go out of their way to wind up their staff in an effort to force a wildcat strike, so they can they run to the courts and get an injunction on the national strikes. I have never seen an atmosphere so toxic between managers and workers. It is obvious to all why he is doing this. The share price has tumbled, allowing a large shareholder to increase his stake in the company ready for a takeover. Who just so happens to a billionaire that has made his money in the European parcel business. So now we get to the universal service (letters). Nobody wants it. It is impossible to make money from. There is a national network of trucks, trains, planes and vans that have to run 24/7 even if there is no mail... because there might be some, and the 1st class, 2nd class promises have to be kept. So, what Royal Mail want to do is run the universal service down, first no Saturdays, then it will be three times a week, then twice, then once... and probably delivered by some gormless agency worker on the cheap. The 10,000 job cuts are a red herring. Royal Mail has spent the last few years building parcel & packet sorting capacity. eg If your Amazon order can fit through the letter box then Royal Mail probably delivered it. They basically want to replace your postie with an "owner driver" ie self-employed twat in a battered white van doing his best Hermes impression. Hermes is cheap though and doing well. I use them and they are OK and do a reasonable job. There was one time when a package arrived without it s contents because some bastard had stolen it, but I assisted the management of the firm by giving the necessary evidence so the cunt could be fired, and they were very grateful for my help. It's never happened since, which goes to show taking a constructive approach is better than just being an irate customer. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2022 8:01:21 GMT
What I cannot understand is why is it still called "Royal Mail" ?
Its basically a private company, and as such should not be allowed to use the name "Royal" as though it was a national / state institution.
EVERYTHING the Tories have privatized ends up providing a worse, poorer service ... everything, from mail to water, from electricity and gas to trains and the NHS. But of course someone makes a lot of money, usually someone connected to the Conservative Party.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 19, 2022 8:10:48 GMT
If the universal mail service is unprofitable in these modern times surely it is only right that the service is cut to reflect reality. After all London used to have 6 deliverys a day - nobody would suggest that service should have been retained.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 19, 2022 8:15:05 GMT
If the universal mail service is unprofitable in these modern times surely it is only right that the service is cut to reflect reality. After all London used to have 6 deliverys a day - nobody would suggest that service should have been retained. Absolutely. The volume of mail that I receive nowadays is miniscule and most of that is junk.
Times move on and a lot of what Royal Mail used to do is now done on line.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 19, 2022 9:57:16 GMT
If the universal mail service is unprofitable in these modern times surely it is only right that the service is cut to reflect reality. After all London used to have 6 deliverys a day - nobody would suggest that service should have been retained. Absolutely. The volume of mail that I receive nowadays is miniscule and most of that is junk.
Times move on and a lot of what Royal Mail used to do is now done on line.
...at far less cost to the environment. I gave up buying Christmas cards about 30 years ago when I heard that in the week up to Christmas one billion cards were sent via the Royal Mail and I tried to envisage how many CO2 belching vehicles were employed to deliver them never mind how many trees were cut down to provide the paper. Boycott Christmas everyone. Its time we went back to our wholesome pagan worship of Mother Earth and celebrate the Winter Solstice instead.  |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 19, 2022 14:09:45 GMT
If the universal mail service is unprofitable in these modern times surely it is only right that the service is cut to reflect reality. After all London used to have 6 deliverys a day - nobody would suggest that service should have been retained. Well said, even the Royal Mail has to move with the times more efficiently |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 19, 2022 14:15:06 GMT
If the universal mail service is unprofitable in these modern times surely it is only right that the service is cut to reflect reality. After all London used to have 6 deliverys a day - nobody would suggest that service should have been retained. Well said, even the Royal Mail has to move with the times more efficiently Think the only thing royal mail is looking at there profits demilshing from when they made record profit in 2020 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2022 14:25:07 GMT
If the universal mail service is unprofitable in these modern times surely it is only right that the service is cut to reflect reality. After all London used to have 6 deliverys a day - nobody would suggest that service should have been retained. What evidence are you basing your claim "that nobody would suggest 6 deliveries a day should be retained"? |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 19, 2022 14:48:00 GMT
What I cannot understand is why is it still called "Royal Mail" ? Its basically a private company, and as such should not be allowed to use the name "Royal" as though it was a national / state institution. EVERYTHING the Tories have privatized ends up providing a worse, poorer service ... everything, from mail to water, from electricity and gas to trains and the NHS. But of course someone makes a lot of money, usually someone connected to the Conservative Party. Oh, how I long for the good old days, most people back then worked from 9am to 5pm you could not do any shopping on the way home as the shops were shut, Friday was poets' day, factories were overmanned due to demarcation four of five Unions all in the same factory all pulling in different directions, closed shop so if you wanted work you had to join a Union otherwise you could not work. If you worked Monday to Friday and every weekend off, you had to get to the shops on a Saturday you had to be quick about it as they shut at 5pm on the dot, if you wanted to buy a washing machine as an example, few electrical shops had them in stock you would have to wait for at least two weeks or more for it to be delivered. You would be hard pressed to find a shop open on a Sunday other than your local Newspaper shop if you wanted a paper, bag of sugar or some fags, your local pub only opened at noon and shut at 3pm if you wanted a pint you had to get there early. If you worked shifts and you finished at 10pm on a Friday, if you wanted a pint you had to go to the nearest one before they shut, if you lived a few miles away from your home if you missed the last bus, it was a long walk home in the rain, same with the train miss the last one and a long walk home. If you were able to afford a telephone at least 6 months or even longer to have it installed, We now live in a 24/7 world people are at work around the clock, now we can shop even on a Sunday, I don't need to leave the house now to shop, just order it online and delivered usually the same or next day, no need to waste my fuel to drive to the shops and try and get a new freezer in the boot , those good old days have thankfully gone PS no Political Party is daft enough to even think about privatising the NHS, they would be out of office in double quick time sadly some people believe the lies the Left talk about the NHS at GE times |
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Post by patman post on Nov 19, 2022 14:58:36 GMT
If the universal mail service is unprofitable in these modern times surely it is only right that the service is cut to reflect reality. After all London used to have 6 deliverys a day - nobody would suggest that service should have been retained. What evidence are you basing your claim "that nobody would suggest 6 deliveries a day should be retained"? I guess, like me, Pacifico has never heard anyone making that suggestion.
Frankly, deliveries could be whittled down to one on Monday, Wednesday, and Tuesday. Businesses requiring deliveries every day could pay for such a service.
The days when letters were needed to be delivered throughout the length and breadth of the land the next day ended years ago. The focus now should be on collection and delivery of packages and parcels.
Royal Mail workers are speeding the demise of their jobs — the more they strike, the more users move to other ways of communicating...
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 19, 2022 15:36:40 GMT
What evidence are you basing your claim "that nobody would suggest 6 deliveries a day should be retained"? I guess, like me, Pacifico has never heard anyone making that suggestion.
Frankly, deliveries could be whittled down to one on Monday, Wednesday, and Tuesday. Businesses requiring deliveries every day could pay for such a service.
The days when letters were needed to be delivered throughout the length and breadth of the land the next day ended years ago. The focus now should be on collection and delivery of packages and parcels.
Royal Mail workers are speeding the demise of their jobs — the more they strike, the more users move to other ways of communicating...
I think dodgydave we be in up roar at such suggestion |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 19, 2022 15:42:18 GMT
The management of the royal mail propose to scrap postal delivery on a Saturday. There no indication how many job losses will happen but with 10, 000 jobs already in line for cuts. It seems to be the end of the royal mail has we know it. Saturday deliveries were scrapped earlier this year (or maybe was last year- can't remember exactly when ) then reintroduced a few months later I know my postie was a bit miffed at the time as it was overtime for him so if they are going to be scrapped again he'll be even further miffed (his views on the current strikes are unprintable- he says he is losing serious money ) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2022 16:51:40 GMT
What evidence are you basing your claim "that nobody would suggest 6 deliveries a day should be retained"? I guess, like me, Pacifico has never heard anyone making that suggestion.
Frankly, deliveries could be whittled down to one on Monday, Wednesday, and Tuesday. Businesses requiring deliveries every day could pay for such a service.
The days when letters were needed to be delivered throughout the length and breadth of the land the next day ended years ago. The focus now should be on collection and delivery of packages and parcels.
Royal Mail workers are speeding the demise of their jobs — the more they strike, the more users move to other ways of communicating...
I guess Pacifico has stopped talking to me, no great loss though, long may it continue.  |
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