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Post by Bentley on Mar 13, 2024 16:56:48 GMT
I think confronting a trans woman and calling him a man does. I would disagree, although of course I'm not a lawyer or a judge. Your post says it does . Any crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either: demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity Or been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity" we can add this too “A hate crime is defined as "any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice" based on one of five categories: religion, faith or belief; race, ethnicity or nationality; sexual orientation; disability; or gender identity.” Transgender hate crimes recorded by police go up 81% www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48756370 |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 13, 2024 17:00:00 GMT
I would disagree, although of course I'm not a lawyer or a judge. Your post says it does . Any crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either: demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity Or been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity" we can add this too “A hate crime is defined as "any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice" based on one of five categories: religion, faith or belief; race, ethnicity or nationality; sexual orientation; disability; or gender identity.” Transgender hate crimes recorded by police go up 81% www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48756370My post was the CPS definition of a hate crime. "any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice" That's open to interpretation and debate on a case by case basis I would say. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 13, 2024 17:07:20 GMT
Your post says it does . Any crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either: demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity Or been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity" we can add this too “A hate crime is defined as "any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice" based on one of five categories: religion, faith or belief; race, ethnicity or nationality; sexual orientation; disability; or gender identity.” Transgender hate crimes recorded by police go up 81% www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48756370My post was the CPS definition of a hate crime. "any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice" That's open to interpretation and debate on a case by case basis I would say. Well we are making progress You seem to accept telling the truth could be seen as a hate crime . If I tell Steve in a dress that he’s delusion because he thinks he’s a woman but isn’t , it fits all the criteria. |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 13, 2024 18:15:49 GMT
My post was the CPS definition of a hate crime. "any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice" That's open to interpretation and debate on a case by case basis I would say. Well we are making progress You seem to accept telling the truth could be seen as a hate crime . If I tell Steve in a dress that he’s delusion because he thinks he’s a woman but isn’t , it fits all the criteria. Well I think it's debatable if it's the truth or a hate crime. Is there a specific law for misgendering someone? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 13, 2024 18:27:30 GMT
Well we are making progress You seem to accept telling the truth could be seen as a hate crime . If I tell Steve in a dress that he’s delusion because he thinks he’s a woman but isn’t , it fits all the criteria. Well I think it's debatable if it's the truth or a hate crime. Is there a specific law for misgendering someone? It’s not debatable that it’s the truth , it is the truth . Its not debatable that by telling the truth you can be seen as being hostile to the trans delusion . The delusional man might not perceive the act of telling the truth prejudice but almost certainly will. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 13, 2024 18:30:07 GMT
My post was the CPS definition of a hate crime. "any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice" That's open to interpretation and debate on a case by case basis I would say. Well we are making progress You seem to accept telling the truth could be seen as a hate crime . If I tell Steve in a dress that he’s delusion because he thinks he’s a woman but isn’t , it fits all the criteria. Steve in a dress! Do you know something we don't... ...but may have suspected for some time.  |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 13, 2024 18:31:20 GMT
Well we are making progress You seem to accept telling the truth could be seen as a hate crime . If I tell Steve in a dress that he’s delusion because he thinks he’s a woman but isn’t , it fits all the criteria. Steve in a dress! Do you know something we don't... ...but may have suspected for some time. Speak of the devil, Red and he will appear…and whine . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 13, 2024 18:34:30 GMT
Steve in a dress! Do you know something we don't... ...but may have suspected for some time. Speak of the devil, Red and he will appear…and whine . LOL. |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 13, 2024 20:07:51 GMT
The law recognises five types of hate crime on the basis of:
Race
Religion
Disability
Sexual orientation
Transgender identity
Any crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either:
demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity
Or
been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity
Someone can be a victim of more than one type of hate crime.
These crimes are covered by legislation (Crime and Disorder Act 1998 and section 66 of the Sentencing Act 2020) which allows prosecutors to apply for an uplift in sentence for those convicted of a hate crime.
The police and the CPS have agreed the following definition for identifying and flagging hate crimes:
"Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity."
There is no legal definition of hostility so we use the everyday understanding of the word which includes ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment and dislike.
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 13, 2024 20:24:41 GMT
There is no legal definition of hostility so we use the everyday understanding of the word which includes ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment and dislike. So, Diane Abbott's attitude to white men then.... |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 13, 2024 20:31:11 GMT
There is no legal definition of hostility so we use the everyday understanding of the word which includes ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment and dislike. So, Diane Abbott's attitude to white men then.... Or Alibhai-Brown's " i don't like white men I want them to be a lost species' and ' spare me the tears of the white working class' all seems to be acceptable and in order, she kept her job. |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 13, 2024 20:39:04 GMT
There is no legal definition of hostility so we use the everyday understanding of the word which includes ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment and dislike. So, Diane Abbott's attitude to white men then.... You would have to ask a Criminal Lawyer for an answer on that, I have no idea what her attitude to white men is, I ignore her ramblings |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 13, 2024 20:42:29 GMT
Well I think it's debatable if it's the truth or a hate crime. Is there a specific law for misgendering someone? It’s not debatable that it’s the truth , it is the truth . Its not debatable that by telling the truth you can be seen as being hostile to the trans delusion . The delusional man might not perceive the act of telling the truth prejudice but almost certainly will. Well I'm assuming a trans woman would have legally changed name after transitioning so calling them Steve wouldn't be telling the truth for starters. Is there legal precedent for people being prosecuted for misgendering? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 13, 2024 20:44:09 GMT
So, Diane Abbott's attitude to white men then.... Or Alibhai-Brown's " i don't like white men I want them to be a lost species' and ' spare me the tears of the white working class' all seems to be acceptable and in order, she kept her job. Once you have convinced yourself or the people like that racism doesn’t apply to white people you can say what you like about white people and scream racism when they do the same or less at black people. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 13, 2024 20:46:24 GMT
It’s not debatable that it’s the truth , it is the truth . Its not debatable that by telling the truth you can be seen as being hostile to the trans delusion . The delusional man might not perceive the act of telling the truth prejudice but almost certainly will. Well I'm assuming a trans woman would have legally changed name after transitioning so calling them Steve wouldn't be telling the truth for starters. Is there legal precedent for people being prosecuted for misgendering? Was Trigger being prejudiced when he called Rodney Dave ? Should we ban “ Onlyfools and horses or just Trigger? |
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