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Post by Vinny on Mar 17, 2024 11:13:46 GMT
In case you didn't know, we're a party to the Budapest Memorandum and are obligated by treaty to support the sovereign independence of Ukraine. treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdfThe Russian Federation is party to the Budapest memorandum as well, but is in violation of that treaty, and also Article 1 of the Collective Security Treaty Organisation Treaty of 1992 which states: And the Russian Federation has been in breach of the United Nations Charter since it first attacked Ukraine in 2014.
You are defending the murder of Ukrainian civilians and your position makes you no different from those actually pulling the trigger.
Don't be the Lord Haw Haw of the 21st century change your position and start condemning Putin.
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 17, 2024 11:51:19 GMT
Pardon me but do they actually export weapons to us now ? If you broaden the definition to include military hardware in general, much if not most of it is imported from the EU. Including very basic items like boots and trucks, not to mention large aircraft.
Most of what isn't of EU origin is sourced from the US.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 17, 2024 11:58:15 GMT
Pardon me but do they actually export weapons to us now ? If you broaden the definition to include military hardware in general, much if not most of it is imported from the EU. Including very basic items like boots and trucks, not to mention large aircraft.
Most of what isn't of EU origin is sourced from the US.
That is quite true. We need to be more independent. Restart manufacturing our own military equipment. Build a new generation of Warrior IFVs. Build a new tank factory. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 17, 2024 12:07:08 GMT
As I understand it, the MoD has decided to purchase several hundred Boxer AFVs from Krauss-Maffei and Rheinmetall, along with a similar number of 'Ajax' vehicles from General Dynamics.
The company that designed and built the Warrior, GKN, has long since disappeared into the clutches of asset-strippers with the blessing of the UK government.
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 17, 2024 12:28:40 GMT
If you broaden the definition to include military hardware in general, much if not most of it is imported from the EU. Including very basic items like boots and trucks, not to mention large aircraft.
Most of what isn't of EU origin is sourced from the US.
That is quite true. We need to be more independent. Restart manufacturing our own military equipment. Build a new generation of Warrior IFVs. Build a new tank factory. Well, yeah, but 'how's the Ajax fighting vehicle business doing' will answer why that might be a dumb idea these days Almost all my remaining living team members and bosses from my former defence employee days not dead or enjoying retirement are working there so believe me I have ALL the inside shit on how bad it is. The remainder of my old colleagues now work or are retired from MOD Procurement Fulton Abbey Wood so I have the dirt on BOTH sides And the file of EXACTLY what to look for in my autopsy is under lock and key with coroner's I trust |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 17, 2024 16:52:16 GMT
If Eu NATO members not selling us weapons if they fight the Ruskies is an issue then maybe the UK should concentrate on defending UK territory at the expense of joining in the European mainland theatre. Stay out of it and be polite to the Russians and we will be OK. The only thing really that pisses off the Russians is how we are such a US warmonger's puppet, so without the dangerous toys, the Russians can just take our parliament as a clown show. I'd rather see Britain as a fair-minded international trader where every country is happy with us due to our abilities to do good honest business. It's like that over in places like Japan. They will drink our scotch whisky and be happy with a smile. Surely this harmonious relationship could be replicated now we don't have the EU dragging us down. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 18, 2024 10:10:09 GMT
Fuck Putin.
Sanctions, embargoes & divestment until the dictatorship falls.
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Post by Handyman on Mar 18, 2024 20:10:09 GMT
If Putin pushes that Nuclear Button the last we will have to worry about is buying arms from anywhere, London and all the major cities in Europe will be gone, and he will hit America first
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Post by bancroft on Mar 22, 2024 16:26:02 GMT
If Putin pushes that Nuclear Button the last we will have to worry about is buying arms from anywhere, London and all the major cities in Europe will be gone, and he will hit America first They might hit a city first as a warning and then everyone in the West and Israel. |
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 22, 2024 17:12:48 GMT
Red Rackham is currently in a nuclear stand-off with Iceland, over their hot-cross buns. That is how the world will end.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 23, 2024 14:37:57 GMT
Red Rackham is currently in a nuclear stand-off with Iceland, over their hot-cross buns. That is how the world will end. Einy! You're back. Early release for good behaviour?.. |
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 23, 2024 15:25:48 GMT
Red Rackham is currently in a nuclear stand-off with Iceland, over their hot-cross buns. That is how the world will end. Einy! You're back. Early release for good behaviour?.. LOL! Something like that, Red. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 7, 2024 17:05:37 GMT
You said earlier, with specific reference to the Ajax programme - run by US defence contractor General Dynamics - that 'it's what happens when you have to abide by EU tendering laws which thankfully we no longer have to.'
So again, what's connection between the UK buying armoured vehicles from General Dynamics et al and EU tendering laws?
OK, seeing as almost all the still living, not-yet retired peole who worked with me on tank fire control systems in the eighties are now AT General Dynamics working on that very system, can i poke my oar in ...
First, i invite you to go open this page and note the "types of public tendering procedure" and IN PARTICULAR note the one marked "Competitive Negotiated Procedure" as opposed to "Open Procedure".
Note very carefully the bullshit by which the EU states that this is restricted solely to those organisations that have been PRE-SELECTED to be eligible to engage in the process, and how it deals with the fact that this is the mechanism by which it awards defence and other high value infrastructure contracts
In short Dan, and speking as an insider to the way this works of some 40 years standing, the process is corrupt as fuck, and many commentators on the process know sod all about it
And never more so than on here with Ajax. If you knew anything about the project you'd know the company is run by CANADIANS not Americans and they are, to be blunt, a total shitshower who could not hit a barn door with a cruise missile, and I say that in tribute to those who used to run the show when they tendered for the cruise missile programme, where our own contender was a piece of crap, and the General Dynamics driven kit almost hvered and knocked the bloody door of the barn before it blew it off.
But that was over 30 years ago when they had peope who knew how to build decent kit.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 7, 2024 18:54:14 GMT
If Putin pushes that Nuclear Button the last we will have to worry about is buying arms from anywhere, London and all the major cities in Europe will be gone, and he will hit America first Every major city in Russia including Moscow and St Petersburg would also be gone. Putin knows there can be no winners in a nuclear war. That's why he daren't use his nukes. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 7, 2024 21:34:08 GMT
Fat chance of that. The UK can't even supply its army with locally-made trucks, they're all imported now from Germany or the US. It's what happens when you give the bean-counters the last word on procurement. I personally have full confidence in German engineering. In fact it is my preferred choice. The Germans have been consistently good. Have you ever looked inside a German workshop? It's immaculately logical. |
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