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Post by buccaneer on Mar 6, 2024 20:49:27 GMT
Indeed. It just doesn’t make sense to leave the UK out of the loop for arms procurement in a European war . I agree of course, and there's no reason to suppose they would.
On the other hand there will probably have to be a recognition that the UK is no longer in the front rank as an arms supplier, especially of sophisticated weapons systems. Even the army's boots are of German design made in Croatia.
Yes there is. They did it with the vaccine. They were raiding warehouses in Italy to stop prevention of them being exported to the UK. In fact, it is reasonable to suggest that while this isn't specific to the UK the EU taking control of the arms market within supposedly sovereign nations, history has already taught us how petty the EU are which makes them an untrustworthy allie, couple that with the German embarrassment of leaked info to Russia, and it makes them look pretty amateur as well. Europe, like or not is lucky to have NATO. Reliance on the EU for EU nations would be a death wish. They are fucking hopeless. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 6, 2024 22:00:52 GMT
I don't blame them. You see our government have been acting like utter dicks, giving it the big mouth to Russia, like a kid who does not know who he is talking to and is trying to prove himself. Why should they trust us? What's not to say dodgy Blighty locks them out of the use of their own arms. It's all digital these days. Whose to say the missiles will actually fire if you pressed the fire button.
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned the less arms this country manufactures the better. Less arms = less trouble and less conflict. Also the other problem is when you blow all these people up in the Middle East they claim asylum here.
Love to see you preach that about your love - China. Sorry, but while there are nations like Russia and China in the world arms are a necessity and part of defence mechanisms. China has not invaded sovereign states in the way we have. The last time they had to use arms was during the Korean War where the enemy was right up agaisnt their border. Since then the country is now under a different leadership and they do indeed regret doing it as well. Our spastics are bloodthirsty troublemakers, like sending that stupid aircraft carrier to the South China Sea. What is the point except to dick about and waste out tax money? We must learn to grow up and stop thinking we are playing toy soldiers. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 6, 2024 22:15:19 GMT
Love to see you preach that about your love - China. Sorry, but while there are nations like Russia and China in the world arms are a necessity and part of defence mechanisms. China has not invaded sovereign states in the way we have. The last time they had to use arms was during the Korean War where the enemy was right up agaisnt their border. Since then the country is now under a different leadership and they do indeed regret doing it as well. Our spastics are bloodthirsty troublemakers, like sending that stupid aircraft carrier to the South China Sea. What is the point except to dick about and waste out tax money? We must learn to grow up and stop thinking we are playing toy soldiers. China invaded Vietnam in the 70s iirc and they have been laying claims to,disputed islands and seaways too. China wants hegemony over the far east l The US wants to keep it . |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 6, 2024 22:24:25 GMT
Love to see you preach that about your love - China. Sorry, but while there are nations like Russia and China in the world arms are a necessity and part of defence mechanisms. China has not invaded sovereign states in the way we have. The last time they had to use arms was during the Korean War where the enemy was right up agaisnt their border. Since then the country is now under a different leadership and they do indeed regret doing it as well. Our spastics are bloodthirsty troublemakers, like sending that stupid aircraft carrier to the South China Sea. What is the point except to dick about and waste out tax money? We must learn to grow up and stop thinking we are playing toy soldiers. yeah...this pisses off the Chinese doesn't it...you Chinese get all precious about freedom of navigation exercises except of course when it's against you...how precious
Seriously though the Chinese are a spent force with your military leadership is so fucked up..what was that report the other day about your strategic missiles being fuelled with water....CO of the rocket forces suddenly going AWOL...probably propping up a Country Garden Tower Block now...bless him
"Our spastics are bloodthirsty troublemakers"....fucking seriously mate!!!!  |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 6, 2024 22:28:26 GMT
China has enough trouble with their economy in crisis so i doubt they are that interested in our tiny aircraft carrier pottering around offshore.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 6, 2024 23:01:13 GMT
China has not invaded sovereign states in the way we have. The last time they had to use arms was during the Korean War where the enemy was right up agaisnt their border. Since then the country is now under a different leadership and they do indeed regret doing it as well. Our spastics are bloodthirsty troublemakers, like sending that stupid aircraft carrier to the South China Sea. What is the point except to dick about and waste out tax money? We must learn to grow up and stop thinking we are playing toy soldiers. China invaded Vietnam in the 70s iirc and they have been laying claims to,disputed islands and seaways too. China wants hegemony over the far east l The US wants to keep it . I don't think they want hegemony, but I do think they would very much like to drive the Americans and their military bases out. They feel Americans have no business in that part of the world and their presence is highly unsettling. The way China would like to see it is they have their own international council that decides things between countries, as in they go on a lot about ASEAN. China sees itself like the big panda who knows it is big, but is soft and cuddly and tries to be generous towards its neighbours. They like reciprocity. You can watch all this going on, on their TV. Different local leaders are invited to China, the leader is personally entertained by President Xi and then the two countries diplomats sit facing each other over a huge table and exchange business deals. The country always goes away with a smile on its face. China prides itself in giving sweet deals. This way the customer is always happy to come back for more business, which is a business practice I personally stand by and practice. Being greedy long term is a false economy. The amazing thing is these days they even seem to have reasonable relations with Japan. Not always, but they did agree on some deal to do with capital markets and selling US bonds. Other times Japan can stab them in the back, but I think it is slowly improving. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 6, 2024 23:14:15 GMT
China invaded Vietnam in the 70s iirc and they have been laying claims to,disputed islands and seaways too. China wants hegemony over the far east l The US wants to keep it . I don't think they want hegemony, but I do think they would very much like to drive the Americans and their military bases out. They feel Americans have no business in that part of the world and their presence is highly unsettling. The way China would like to see it is they have their own international council that decides things between countries, as in they go on a lot about ASEAN. China sees itself like the big panda who knows it is big, but is soft and cuddly and tries to be generous towards its neighbours. They like reciprocity. You can watch all this going on, on their TV. Different local leaders are invited to China, the leader is personally entertained by President Xi and then the two countries diplomats sit facing each other over a huge table and exchange business deals. The country always goes away with a smile on its face. China prides itself in giving sweet deals. This way the customer is always happy to come back for more business, which is a business practice I personally stand by and practice. Being greedy long term is a false economy. The amazing thing is these days they even seem to have reasonable relations with Japan. Not always, but they did agree on some deal to do with capital markets and selling US bonds. Other times Japan can stab them in the back, but I think it is slowly improving. “China sees itself like the big panda who knows it is big, but is soft and cuddly and tries to be generous towards its neighbours. They like reciprocity. You can watch all this going on, on their TV. Different local leaders are invited to China,” Ffs🙄 |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 6, 2024 23:14:44 GMT
China has enough trouble with their economy in crisis so i doubt they are that interested in our tiny aircraft carrier pottering around offshore. It's more like an embarrassment. You should read what the Chinese say about it. Remember the Chinese know us military Brits from the experience of the colonial governors of Hong Kong. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 6, 2024 23:24:16 GMT
The member for the Communist Party of China has spoken.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 6, 2024 23:28:27 GMT
I don't think they want hegemony, but I do think they would very much like to drive the Americans and their military bases out. They feel Americans have no business in that part of the world and their presence is highly unsettling. The way China would like to see it is they have their own international council that decides things between countries, as in they go on a lot about ASEAN. China sees itself like the big panda who knows it is big, but is soft and cuddly and tries to be generous towards its neighbours. They like reciprocity. You can watch all this going on, on their TV. Different local leaders are invited to China, the leader is personally entertained by President Xi and then the two countries diplomats sit facing each other over a huge table and exchange business deals. The country always goes away with a smile on its face. China prides itself in giving sweet deals. This way the customer is always happy to come back for more business, which is a business practice I personally stand by and practice. Being greedy long term is a false economy. The amazing thing is these days they even seem to have reasonable relations with Japan. Not always, but they did agree on some deal to do with capital markets and selling US bonds. Other times Japan can stab them in the back, but I think it is slowly improving. “China sees itself like the big panda who knows it is big, but is soft and cuddly and tries to be generous towards its neighbours. They like reciprocity. You can watch all this going on, on their TV. Different local leaders are invited to China,” Ffs🙄 Well whatever you think of that, this is what goes on day in and day out. In China something gets agreed, something started and something gets finished every day. Wherever you look they are all at it, making things stronger, bigger and better, with no time for petty squabbles and never do they play the name calling game. It's all very polite and respectful. Our country should stop imaging there is something wrong with the way they do it and realise there is something wrong with the way we operate. Our nation is rapidly disintegrating into chaos. We put shit out and shit comes flying back in our faces. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 7, 2024 7:35:47 GMT
China has enough trouble with their economy in crisis so i doubt they are that interested in our tiny aircraft carrier pottering around offshore. It's more like an embarrassment. You should read what the Chinese say about it. Remember the Chinese know us military Brits from the experience of the colonial governors of Hong Kong. that would be where we created the most successful economy in the region while the Chinese Communist Party were killing millions through their ineptitude.. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 7, 2024 8:39:42 GMT
Tibet was invaded and occupied your arguments are null and void Baron.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 7, 2024 13:37:10 GMT
The big ticket item we have with the EU is the Eurofighter and according to Dan's link we have over 30.
Knowing a little about the classic car scene I see no reason why we could make our own parts from re-engineering the parts we do not already make.
Most of the rest we could get elsewhere and if the US or EU won't do a deal perhaps we should think about join the BRICs too.
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 7, 2024 13:40:38 GMT
If we get Trump, NATO is at risk
If we get Trump, and a succession of other Right wing populists or "Trumpists", then we will need to look for a credible alternative to NATO, and that only alternative is a European Defence Pact.
Some leading Tories are already promoting the idea, its an idea that is already on the table, and will probably become reality in one form or another, and we need to be part of it.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 7, 2024 14:05:26 GMT
If we get Trump we will get a trade deal.
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