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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 4, 2024 15:31:13 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 4, 2024 16:45:20 GMT
They never learn - yes the MP's can impose their candidate on the members but if it's not someone the members (and voters) are going to support then the Tories are simply not going to come back from the wilderness.
Sunak was the one-nation choice of the MP's - Tory support is now staying at home and sitting on their hands.
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 5, 2024 7:41:47 GMT
They never learn - yes the MP's can impose their candidate on the members but if it's not someone the members (and voters) are going to support then the Tories are simply not going to come back from the wilderness. Sunak was the one-nation choice of the MP's - Tory support is now staying at home and sitting on their hands. Someone the members want but the general public don't isn't going to lead them out of the wilderness either. Liz Truss was elected by the membership. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 5, 2024 7:47:59 GMT
Yes - and the Tories now have even lower support that when Truss was leader.
One Nation is shorthand for suicide.
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 5, 2024 7:57:39 GMT
Yes - and the Tories now have even lower support that when Truss was leader. One Nation is shorthand for suicide. Is Truss a one nation Tory? You seen who she's been hanging out with lately? General elections in the UK are typically won from the centre ground, that's the painful lesson Labour learned from their looney left experiment and look at the difference its made in the polls and local/by election results. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 5, 2024 9:21:38 GMT
Yes - and the Tories now have even lower support that when Truss was leader. One Nation is shorthand for suicide. Is Truss a one nation Tory? You seen who she's been hanging out with lately? General elections in the UK are typically won from the centre ground, that's the painful lesson Labour learned from their looney left experiment and look at the difference its made in the polls and local/by election results. But you need to have your core supporters voting for you as well - by moving so far to the left in the search for this center ground the Tories have left their core support behind. Hence their rubbish support in recent elections. |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 5, 2024 11:17:09 GMT
Is Truss a one nation Tory? You seen who she's been hanging out with lately? General elections in the UK are typically won from the centre ground, that's the painful lesson Labour learned from their looney left experiment and look at the difference its made in the polls and local/by election results. But you need to have your core supporters voting for you as well - by moving so far to the left in the search for this center ground the Tories have left their core support behind. Hence their rubbish support in recent elections. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 5, 2024 11:44:35 GMT
You cannot get past the fact that for the past 14 years the Tories have been following Mr Scully's One Nation outlook - and where has that got them?
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 5, 2024 11:47:55 GMT
You cannot get past the fact that for the past 14 years the Tories have been following Mr Scully's One Nation outlook - and where has that got them? It has kept them in power for 14 years. |
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Post by piglet on Mar 5, 2024 12:44:32 GMT
To get to basics, all politicians have a frame of reference, a costlellation of ideas they apply to every problem.
The public have a differenty frame of reference.
Yet the public are forced to choose a party that does not care about them or what they think. We are actively lied too, decieved.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 5, 2024 14:58:22 GMT
You cannot get past the fact that for the past 14 years the Tories have been following Mr Scully's One Nation outlook - and where has that got them? It has kept them in power for 14 years. If they are not enacting what people vote for what is the point?.. it's just power for power sake.  |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 5, 2024 15:11:57 GMT
It has kept them in power for 14 years. If they are not enacting what people vote for what is the point?.. it's just power for power sake. Well to me they look to have reached the point of exhaustion where they are simply trying to cling on to power for its own sake. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 5, 2024 19:42:29 GMT
It has kept them in power for 14 years. If they are not enacting what people vote for what is the point?.. it's just power for power sake. In 2019, Britain voted to "get Brexit done". Wasn't that exactly what they got? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 5, 2024 22:04:10 GMT
You cannot get past the fact that for the past 14 years the Tories have been following Mr Scully's One Nation outlook - and where has that got them? It has kept them in power for 14 years. No it hasn't. Labour and Corbyn kept the Tories in power from 2015. Prior to that we had a Tory/LibDem coalition. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 5, 2024 22:32:17 GMT
If they are not enacting what people vote for what is the point?.. it's just power for power sake. In 2019, Britain voted to "get Brexit done". Wasn't that exactly what they got? Yes we left - what is your point? |
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