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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 5, 2024 22:55:41 GMT
You said the electorate wasn't getting what they voted for. I'm saying at the last election they got EXACTLY what they voted for.
I think that this year they are going to vote AGAINST what they DON'T WANT.
The question here though is actually about how they recompose post election. There's going to be a lot of fighting over the party, in the same way that Labour did after Corbyn. The MPs that are left will determine the final two candidates (on the assumption that Sunak resigns) for the members. The question raised in the article I posted was whether there were sufficient right wing MPs left to ensure that at least 1 of those represented the more extreme wing of the party. It's not a given.
I don't think that the Tory's problems are so much a left / right issue, the majority should have been enough to overcome any issues there.
The issues are those of competence and truthfulness.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 6, 2024 8:01:51 GMT
The issues are those of competence and truthfulness. Well that is a failing across the whole political spectrum - if you are expecting Labour to be any more competent and truthful then boy, are you in for a whole heap of disappointment. The direction the Tories take will be up to them but (if you take out the landslide of 2019 now that we have left the EU), since 1992 the Tories have continually failed to gain a decent majority by promoting new labour policies - if they want to elect a new PM promising more of the same then they are going to continue to suffer the same fate. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 6, 2024 8:47:06 GMT
Well that is a failing across the whole political spectrum - if you are expecting Labour to be any more competent and truthful then boy, are you in for a whole heap of disappointment. You may well be right, we'll see over the next few years. The direction the Tories take will be up to them but (if you take out the landslide of 2019 now that we have left the EU), since 1992 the Tories have continually failed to gain a decent majority by promoting new labour policies - if they want to elect a new PM promising more of the same then they are going to continue to suffer the same fate. The thing that both yourself and Red Rackham are guilty of is projecting that your opinion is the opinion of the majority. I think that here you are wide of the mark. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-voters-tax-cuts-jeremy-hunt-public-spending-b2500578.html |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 6, 2024 11:46:24 GMT
Well that is a failing across the whole political spectrum - if you are expecting Labour to be any more competent and truthful then boy, are you in for a whole heap of disappointment. You may well be right, we'll see over the next few years. The direction the Tories take will be up to them but (if you take out the landslide of 2019 now that we have left the EU), since 1992 the Tories have continually failed to gain a decent majority by promoting new labour policies - if they want to elect a new PM promising more of the same then they are going to continue to suffer the same fate. The thing that both yourself and Red Rackham are guilty of is projecting that your opinion is the opinion of the majority. I think that here you are wide of the mark. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-voters-tax-cuts-jeremy-hunt-public-spending-b2500578.htmlI'm not promoting my opinion - simply describing the results of the elections we have held. The fact is that the Tories had enacted new labour type policies for the past 3 decades and as a result failed to get widespread support for a decent majority - and that record has ended up with them looking at annihilation today. That is not an image of success for one nation Tories. |
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