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Post by Equivocal on Nov 21, 2022 10:42:24 GMT
Cultural presentations have always and are still being adapted to suit the political tenor of the times. And then there's the BBC, but perhaps we shouldn't open that particular can of worms. Indeed, and you've never tired of complaining about the "cultural vandalism" carried out to promote (in your opinion) political correctness. Yet, here you are making a case for a culture that was clearly engineered by the Nazis to promote Aryan superiority and antisemitism. One might only look pale and wonder.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 21, 2022 10:55:54 GMT
like the dreadful Norman castle looming over Norwich.
How very dare you? It's a beautiful example of the craft, sympathetically restored in the 1830s using stone from the quarry in France where the original stone came from some 900 years ago. Have you visited it?
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Post by Toreador on Nov 21, 2022 11:39:34 GMT
Cultural presentations have always and are still being adapted to suit the political tenor of the times. To go along with Othello's 'decaffeinated hue' I'd mention the recent Royal Opera House production of The Magic Flute in which the evil Moor Monostatos and his troupe of Moorish slaves - very unsavoury characters all - were presented in non-blackface. And then there was the latest National Theatre production of Amadeus in which the role of Salieri was taken by the South African Lucian Msamati, with the parts of the Venticelli who appear as if a Greek Chorus in almost every scene being taken by actors of just as dark a hue. And then there's the BBC, but perhaps we shouldn't open that particular can of worms. I almost missed your final comment and was about to add about the BBC but also to add that it isn't just the BBC it's film makers and generally across the entertainment industry, not to mention advertising agencies.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 21, 2022 11:40:20 GMT
Cultural presentations have always and are still being adapted to suit the political tenor of the times. And then there's the BBC, but perhaps we shouldn't open that particular can of worms. Indeed, and you've never tired of complaining about the "cultural vandalism" carried out to promote (in your opinion) political correctness. Yet, here you are making a case for a culture that was clearly engineered by the Nazis to promote Aryan superiority and antisemitism. One might only look pale and wonder. Once again, the present discussion is not concerned with the ends to which the cultural transformation in the Third Reich was intended, but rather the form it took, and the extent to which the public were deprived of cultural experiences as a result.
This seems to be a very challenging concept for proggies and fellow travellers to come to terms with.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 21, 2022 11:45:26 GMT
I almost missed your final comment and was about to add about the BBC but also to add that it isn't just the BBC it's film makers and generally across the entertainment industry, not to mention advertising agencies. You might well think that what we have today is every bit as totalitarian in its own way as the Third Reich's cultural policies, but I couldn't possibly comment.
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Post by Equivocal on Nov 21, 2022 11:59:56 GMT
Indeed, and you've never tired of complaining about the "cultural vandalism" carried out to promote (in your opinion) political correctness. Yet, here you are making a case for a culture that was clearly engineered by the Nazis to promote Aryan superiority and antisemitism. One might only look pale and wonder. Once again, the present discussion is not concerned with the ends to which the cultural transformation in the Third Reich was intended, but rather the form it took, and the extent to which the public were deprived of cultural experiences as a result.
This seems to be a very challenging concept for proggies and fellow travellers to come to terms with.
An interesting tactic - to complain that considering whether Nazi culture was in fact culture or propaganda is outside the scope of the form it took.
Best leave you to your thrashing around.
Incidentally, I wonder if 'proggies' constitutes an ad hom and is outside the rules. I am quite sure it was intended as such.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 21, 2022 12:02:26 GMT
Indeed, and you've never tired of complaining about the "cultural vandalism" carried out to promote (in your opinion) political correctness. Yet, here you are making a case for a culture that was clearly engineered by the Nazis to promote Aryan superiority and antisemitism. One might only look pale and wonder. Once again, the present discussion is not concerned with the ends to which the cultural transformation in the Third Reich was intended, but rather the form it took, and the extent to which the public were deprived of cultural experiences as a result.
This seems to be a very challenging concept for proggies and fellow travellers to come to terms with.
Not really. It's just that certain sharp eyed ''proggies'' can see through your transparent Nazi appreciation and anti-immigration threads which you attempt to hide behind the stricter rules in the Mindzone and shield with your narrowly defined topic selection. I'm sure it won't be long now before you call for another Night of the Long Knives to cull the undesirables from your precious debates on the Kulture, Kreativity and Kindness of the Aryan race.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 21, 2022 12:15:01 GMT
I'd just remark that resident proggies are as fully entitled as I am to take advantage of the facilities ('stricter rules') of the Mind Zone to launch serious topics of their own choice and to define the parameters of debate accordingly.
But few do. Strange that.
Perhaps it's too a difficult challenge to create an intelligent discussion without resorting to ad hom or playground jibes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 12:19:44 GMT
like the dreadful Norman castle looming over Norwich.
How very dare you? It's a beautiful example of the craft, sympathetically restored in the 1830s using stone from the quarry in France where the original stone came from some 900 years ago. Have you visited it? It's a horrible blockhouse. Beautifully built, yes. But a great blockhouse all the same. If you stand in a market just under it in Norwich, it looms. I hate it. But you are, obviously, free to like it.
I am reminded of the absolutely awful cathedral of modern times in Reykjavik in Iceland. Looks like a warrior's helmet. It's the sort of thing the Protestants excelled at. If you look at indigenous Icelandic temples it's as though a race from another planet overtook them. That is what overlordship can do to people. Replace their souls with inhuman dominance.
But, again, if people like this sort of thing and want it in their cities, then good luck to them. Personally, I detest that sort of thing.
A notable but very large difference is the La Sagrada Família, cathedral in Barcelona. A totally crazy work of art. Like a giant anthill. I can't help liking it even though I find it far too big. But then, it's a Catholic cathedral and so that Protestant magnitude and monumental dominance is absent.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 12:24:08 GMT
I'd just remark that resident proggies are as fully entitled as I am to take advantage of the facilities ('stricter rules') of the Mind Zone to launch serious topics of their own choice and to define the parameters of debate accordingly. But few do. Strange that. Perhaps it's too a difficult challenge to create an intelligent discussion without resorting to ad hom or playground jibes. They think you're a nazi, Dan. That is why they go for you. If you told them what you are, they might (might) be a little less intolerant. If they really believed in liberty and freedom of opinion and discussion, of course, they would be able to converse with you equally on this. You know that this isn't going to happen.
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Post by Toreador on Nov 21, 2022 12:30:36 GMT
You might well think that what we have today is every bit as totalitarian in its own way as the Third Reich's cultural policies, but I couldn't possibly comment. I can comment on the extent to which the issue seems not confined to Britain but far beyond.
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Post by jeg er on Nov 21, 2022 12:42:26 GMT
I'd just remark that resident proggies are as fully entitled as I am to take advantage of the facilities ('stricter rules') of the Mind Zone to launch serious topics of their own choice and to define the parameters of debate accordingly. But few do. Strange that. Perhaps it's too a difficult challenge to create an intelligent discussion without resorting to ad hom or playground jibes. The problem is when someone defines the parameters of debate to exclude replies they disagree with...... You have also used several playground jibes yourself on this thread, the latest being "resident proggies" The point is, many of us appear to be struggling to stick to the letter and spirit of the law of the Mind Zone, including yourself
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 21, 2022 12:44:04 GMT
How very dare you? It's a beautiful example of the craft, sympathetically restored in the 1830s using stone from the quarry in France where the original stone came from some 900 years ago. Have you visited it? It's a horrible blockhouse. Beautifully built, yes. But a great blockhouse all the same. If you stand in a market just under it in Norwich, it looms. I hate it. But you are, obviously, free to like it.
I am reminded of the absolutely awful cathedral of modern times in Reykjavik in Iceland. Looks like a warrior's helmet. It's the sort of thing the Protestants excelled at. If you look at indigenous Icelandic temples it's as though a race from another planet overtook them. That is what overlordship can do to people. Replace their souls with inhuman dominance.
But, again, if people like this sort of thing and want it in their cities, then good luck to them. Personally, I detest that sort of thing.
A notable but very large difference is the La Sagrada Família, cathedral in Barcelona. A totally crazy work of art. Like a giant anthill. I can't help liking it even though I find it far too big. But then, it's a Catholic cathedral and so that Protestant magnitude and monumental dominance is absent.
To be fair, the whole raison d'etre of castles was to dominate the landscape so to me it is a curious objection to a castle you readily accept does so magnificently. Perhaps you prefer the relatively poor castle building skills of the Anglo-Saxons. After all ''what have the Normans ever done for us?'' apart from their contribution to the development of our language, legal system including habeas corpus, constitution (Magna Carta), architecture including all our Romanesque Cathedrals and over a thousand castles, the discouragement of slavery and advancements in bureaucratic efficiency. Apart from that what did the Normans ever do for us?
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 21, 2022 12:47:18 GMT
I'd just remark that resident proggies are as fully entitled as I am to take advantage of the facilities ('stricter rules') of the Mind Zone to launch serious topics of their own choice and to define the parameters of debate accordingly. But few do. Strange that. Perhaps it's too a difficult challenge to create an intelligent discussion without resorting to ad hom or playground jibes. . If you told them what you are, they might (might) be a little less intolerant.
Do we get three guesses as to what he is? ? My guesses are: Tinky Winky's evil twin; A five-piece band from Wigan; A common or garden bigot.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 21, 2022 12:49:16 GMT
I'd just remark that resident proggies are as fully entitled as I am to take advantage of the facilities ('stricter rules') of the Mind Zone to launch serious topics of their own choice and to define the parameters of debate accordingly. But few do. Strange that. Perhaps it's too a difficult challenge to create an intelligent discussion without resorting to ad hom or playground jibes. The problem is when someone defines the parameters of debate to exclude replies they disagree with...... You have also used several playground jibes yourself on this thread, the latest being "resident proggies" The point is, many of us appear to be struggling to stick to the letter and spirit of the law of the Mind Zone, including yourself You could also add the regular patronising accusations that others might be having difficulties engaging in intelligent discussions.
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