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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 2, 2024 8:54:45 GMT
totheleft That's really good of them, but would you mind not changing your mind quite so often ? You're causing a lot of work for Labour as well as making it difficult for the rest of us to keep up with what the preferred policy might be from week to week !  |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 2, 2024 9:07:52 GMT
They used to be indecisive, now they are not so sure
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 2, 2024 9:33:58 GMT
One interesting observation is that of the 78,000 electorate, about 23,000 are Muslim, meaning around 55,000 are not. What does this say for "Reform UK" who came a miserable 6th ? As I've told you before the muslims probably all voted while the turn-out for the rest of the electorate was very low and split. This is why the muslims can turn elections - it's estimated there are up to 70 constituencies which can won by the block muslim vote. Reform don't stand a chance in any muslim constituency. Well thats ONE way of looking at it But if most of the non-Muslim vote were a little bit anti-Muslim or a tad bigoted, they could all vote Reform UK to show their distaste, that was my point, but that did not happen. Remember, 70% of the electorate in Rochdale are not Muslim, and thats a substantial majority. |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 2, 2024 10:07:26 GMT
As I've told you before the muslims probably all voted while the turn-out for the rest of the electorate was very low and split. This is why the muslims can turn elections - it's estimated there are up to 70 constituencies which can won by the block muslim vote. Reform don't stand a chance in any muslim constituency. Well thats ONE way of looking at it But if most of the non-Muslim vote were a little bit anti-Muslim or a tad bigoted, they could all vote Reform UK to show their distaste, that was my point, but that did not happen. Remember, 70% of the electorate in Rochdale are not Muslim, and thats a substantial majority. I do feel that a lot of traditional labour voters like me didn't vote or like you said spilt the vote. And of course Galloway would of picked up the loony far left vote. I think come GE it be a very different story . |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 2, 2024 10:15:54 GMT
Whatever way you look at it George took the seat off8 Labour and Tories Dur what don't you understand that labour party had no official candidate. But it was obvious that Galloway independent. TULLY independent. AllI independent. Pushed the Established Reform into 6th lol They had an unofficial candidate doofus . The other one was pulled because he was a doofus and Labour couldn’t replace them . Labour was so tarnished by their ‘ official ‘ candidate even an unofficial one didn’t get a sniff . Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory .. Let’s just celebrate Labours idiocy.lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2024 10:21:33 GMT
At least with George we know what we are dealing with.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2024 11:30:15 GMT
There is something deeply ironic about the 'Workers Party of Britain' relying on the vote of the section of the community who are least likely to work than any other..
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Post by sheepy on Mar 2, 2024 11:45:05 GMT
Lessons will be learnt; we must not threaten members of the electorate.
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 2, 2024 17:08:14 GMT
Why are you worried? The mods have made it quite clear that discrimination on the basis of religion is permitted on this forum as it is not illegal. Careful Andrew, I don’t take kindly to people misquoting mod rulings. I’ve said criticising religion isn’t something we’re going to ban because it’s not illegal and as this forum is to debate topics, there seems no good reason to forbid critique of such matters. Actually, I wasn't referring to yourself, or the freedom to criticise religion. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. However there is plenty of Islamophobia on here, which is not criticism of the religion, but rather discrimination against Muslims (not the same thing) which one of your mods Has said is tolerated because it is not illegal. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 2, 2024 17:15:49 GMT
There is something deeply ironic about the 'Workers Party of Britain' relying on the vote of the section of the community who are least likely to work than any other.. Yeah but if you want to win the election you need the right kind of people in your campaign team (workers). |
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Post by om15 on Mar 2, 2024 17:26:01 GMT
I haven't seen any posters on here make discriminatory comments about Muslims, all the observations are about the behaviour of a set of people who just happen to be Muslims, quite a different thing. Your disingenuous attitude is typical of the left, trying to pretend that genuine exasperation at what is happening to the country is a manifestation of "far right" racism.
We understand that Labour ( eagerly but possibly prematurely counting their chickens) will basically pass some law which makes it a criminal offence to make disparaging remarks about Muslims or their faith, although of course everyone including Muslims will continue to be able to make critical remarks about Jews, Catholics, Plymouth Brethren and Mormons.
A certain element of the immigrants from Pakistan, Syria, Libya and other ME countries are obviously ignoring the laws and customs of their new home and are intent on turning it into the violent 16th century shithole from whence they came, and to criticise posters for mentioning this puts you in the same category as George Galloway, Mayor Khan and Alf Garnett, all three talk nonsense.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2024 17:56:00 GMT
Careful Andrew, I don’t take kindly to people misquoting mod rulings. I’ve said criticising religion isn’t something we’re going to ban because it’s not illegal and as this forum is to debate topics, there seems no good reason to forbid critique of such matters. Actually, I wasn't referring to yourself, or the freedom to criticise religion. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. However there is plenty of Islamophobia on here, which is not criticism of the religion, but rather discrimination against Muslims (not the same thing) which one of your mods Has said is tolerated because it is not illegal.
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Post by vlk on Mar 2, 2024 17:57:53 GMT
By-elections are a great opportunity to give the middle finger at the two party-system.
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Post by Tinculin on Mar 2, 2024 21:20:33 GMT
Careful Andrew, I don’t take kindly to people misquoting mod rulings. I’ve said criticising religion isn’t something we’re going to ban because it’s not illegal and as this forum is to debate topics, there seems no good reason to forbid critique of such matters. Actually, I wasn't referring to yourself, or the freedom to criticise religion. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. However there is plenty of Islamophobia on here, which is not criticism of the religion, but rather discrimination against Muslims (not the same thing) which one of your mods Has said is tolerated because it is not illegal. You'd need to be more specific as to what you find objectionable and why it violates any of our forum rules, or as was implied earlier, the law. Islam is certainly a religion and open to criticism. A Muslim is a follower or adherent to the religion of Islam, in the same way a Christian is a follower or adherent to the religion of Christianity. Neither are inherently immune from critique on this forum by the sole virtue of the religion they follow, so you'd have to explain with more nuance what your issue is. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 3, 2024 7:19:23 GMT
As I've told you before the muslims probably all voted while the turn-out for the rest of the electorate was very low and split. This is why the muslims can turn elections - it's estimated there are up to 70 constituencies which can won by the block muslim vote. Reform don't stand a chance in any muslim constituency. Well thats ONE way of looking at it But if most of the non-Muslim vote were a little bit anti-Muslim or a tad bigoted, they could all vote Reform UK to show their distaste, that was my point, but that did not happen. Remember, 70% of the electorate in Rochdale are not Muslim, and thats a substantial majority. You still don't get the point. 70% doesn't win an election when most of them don't turn out and their vote is split. 30% is more than enough to win hands down if they all vote and all vote the same way - especially when they rig the ballot - which is second nature to Pakistanis. But I was surprised at Reform's choice of candidate (Simon Danciewk(?)). I never thought he'd get many votes. They'd have been better of selecting some "new blood". |
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