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Post by sandypine on Mar 9, 2024 11:44:42 GMT
The step back I was referring to was the moving back from the direct "They wish to repeat Pakistan here" to the "They can't help but repeat Pakistan here" Which cultures and bad attitudes do Pakistanis bring to the UK and having arrived here wish to continue. I have not seen these and it seems to me I have a lot more interaction with them than you do. I think you assume these things and look for evidence that supports your view because of your implicit bigotry. Its better than your assumptions. They are also qualities found quite abundantly in Caucasians. The disfunction of society IMO is down to people like you. The very ones who made up stories about Jews being grabbing, Irish being thick and dishonest, even Scots being incapable of civilisation. Though out history people like you have existed claiming society is being ruined by those "others" the "not us" Every time it has been proved untrue. That the others whether they be Muslims or French are just the same as us, just as kind just as greedy. I am certain you think its true. Just as I'm certain the Irish got their name of being thick because the only jobs they could get were digging ditches because of bigotry. That when that changed so miraculously the Irish stopped being thick. You are the problem, not the solution. It is people that make cultures in part due to pressures of the environment. If people move from one location their attitudes, culture and beliefs generally move with them. I would have thought history shows us that to be almost universally true. One problem is the Irish on average were very good at digging ditches and moving mountains, singing and dancing and fighting. These are the hard facts of the experience of many people coming into contact with the Irish just as tightness of Scots was noted, brashness of Americans and excitability of the Med peoples. Stereotypes are largely born of experience not bigotry they then may become bigotry as it is applied to all from one group. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 9, 2024 13:38:48 GMT
Zany, You did it again. You have Inverted-attribution so the post can't sensibly be replied to Like i said, you or I aren't capable of deducing what mix exactly is needed and in what proportions. All we know is that one society has significantly crappier outcomes than another. If you then move large numbers of people from the latter to the former, then you will also be moving the attitudes, beliefs (culture) that cause that crappiness You mean if I refuse to accept that someone escaping a crappy environment for a better one doesn't enjoy that change and adapt to it. Maybe you're right perhaps we should leave the children of drug addicts with them. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 9, 2024 13:42:32 GMT
It is people that make cultures in part due to pressures of the environment. If people move from one location their attitudes, culture and beliefs generally move with them. I would have thought history shows us that to be almost universally true. Does it? Care to share this history? The Vikings who settled in the UK and quickly adapted to be farmers instead of raiders when they saw the advantages. History shows the opposite. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 9, 2024 14:31:19 GMT
I said that without using capitals . Yes ‘we ‘import most of them and adopt them when they enter illegally and all the while they are being cheered by the woke brigade . The same woke brigade that cheer the fact that they still come after Brexit . Exactly, the British people have consistently voted against it, but are still being bombarded with it despite the empty promises from our corrupt and incompetent politicians. There is no 'we', just a few lying corrupt and immoral arseholes. Corrupt and incompetent politicians have used immigration as an aid to gaining and maintaining power. They promised Brexit would allow the UK to regain its sovereignty and allow it to control its borders and cut immigration. In fact, severing ties with the EU has made it more difficult to cooperate internationally on dealing with mass migration... |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 9, 2024 14:33:56 GMT
Exactly, the British people have consistently voted against it, but are still being bombarded with it despite the empty promises from our corrupt and incompetent politicians. There is no 'we', just a few lying corrupt and immoral arseholes. Corrupt and incompetent politicians have used immigration as an aid to gaining and maintaining power. They promised Brexit would allow the UK to regain its sovereignty and allow it to control its borders and cut immigration. In fact, severing ties with the EU has made it more difficult to cooperate internationally on dealing with mass migration... Or made it easier for the EU not to cooperate ? |
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Post by Orac on Mar 9, 2024 14:40:47 GMT
Zany, You did it again. You have Inverted-attribution so the post can't sensibly be replied to Like i said, you or I aren't capable of deducing what mix exactly is needed and in what proportions. All we know is that one society has significantly crappier outcomes than another. If you then move large numbers of people from the latter to the former, then you will also be moving the attitudes, beliefs (culture) that cause that crappiness You mean if I refuse to accept that someone escaping a crappy environment for a better one doesn't enjoy that change and adapt to it. Each time you respond you leave out some important part of what i'm saying. In this case you left out that I'm talking about aggregate attitudes and aggregate effects. Talking about a single, isolated individual and his attitude is pointless when you are examining the likely effects of wholesale transport of millions of people into a small island (ie people can't sensibly separate and go their own way). |
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Post by patman post on Mar 9, 2024 15:12:50 GMT
Corrupt and incompetent politicians have used immigration as an aid to gaining and maintaining power. They promised Brexit would allow the UK to regain its sovereignty and allow it to control its borders and cut immigration. In fact, severing ties with the EU has made it more difficult to cooperate internationally on dealing with mass migration... Or made it easier for the EU not to cooperate ? More blaming others?
The UK cannot control its borders — despite the promises of the Brexiteers.
It is blindingly obvious that he whole migration issue needs international cooperation — a concept the UK's politicians are rubbishing while it's still in a confused mess and unable to lawfully deter migrants with its plan to transport asylum seekers to Rwanda...
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Post by Bentley on Mar 9, 2024 15:20:19 GMT
Or made it easier for the EU not to cooperate ? More blaming others?
The UK cannot control its borders — despite the promises of the Brexiteers.
It is blindingly obvious that he whole migration issue needs international cooperation — a concept the UK's politicians are rubbishing while it's still in a confused mess and unable to lawfully deter migrants with its plan to transport asylum seekers to Rwanda...
If the EU don’t want to cooperate then it has an affect on the UK . It’s not ‘ blaming others ‘ ( which is rich coming from an ex remainer) . Brexit halted the fee flow of East Europeans from entering the UK . Something Ex remainers tell us has left us with a shortfall of cheap labour . Migrants illegally entering the UK on dinghies realistically needs some cooperation with the EU if the government doesnt have the guts to make hard decisions but …..apparently that is a piss in the ocean compared with the rest of the migrants coming into the UK because of Brexit .. The same Ex remainers who tell us that we don’t have enough migrants .^ |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 9, 2024 15:20:38 GMT
Corrupt and incompetent politicians have used immigration as an aid to gaining and maintaining power. They promised Brexit would allow the UK to regain its sovereignty and allow it to control its borders and cut immigration. In fact, severing ties with the EU has made it more difficult to cooperate internationally on dealing with mass migration... Or made it easier for the EU not to cooperate ? And why would they. Surprise Brexiters the EU looks after itself. Who'd have thought it. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 9, 2024 15:22:27 GMT
You mean if I refuse to accept that someone escaping a crappy environment for a better one doesn't enjoy that change and adapt to it. Each time you respond you leave out some important part of what i'm saying. In this case you left out that I'm talking about aggregate attitudes and aggregate effects. Talking about a single, isolated individual and his attitude is pointless when you are examining the likely effects of wholesale transport of millions of people into a small island (ie people can't sensibly separate and go their own way). Perhaps if you explained what you mean by aggregate attitudes and effects. What precisely are they beyond some vague idea you have that Muslims are bad for the UK. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 9, 2024 15:25:48 GMT
Or made it easier for the EU not to cooperate ? And why would they. Surprise Brexiters the EU looks after itself. Who'd have thought it. Why wouldn’t the EU want to cooperate with the UK ? Are they that spiteful? Are all ex remainers that stupid that they applaud and support non cooperation from the EU when it affects them too? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 9, 2024 15:29:23 GMT
And why would they. Surprise Brexiters the EU looks after itself. Who'd have thought it. Why wouldn’t the EU want to cooperate with the UK ? Are they that spiteful? Are all ex remainers that stupid that they applaud and support non cooperation from the EU when it affects them too? Not spite, self interest. If there's something in it for them they cooperate, just the same with every country. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 9, 2024 15:38:53 GMT
Why wouldn’t the EU want to cooperate with the UK ? Are they that spiteful? Are all ex remainers that stupid that they applaud and support non cooperation from the EU when it affects them too? Not spite, self interest. If there's something in it for them they cooperate, just the same with every country. So how does not cooperating with the UK translate to self interest for the EU? |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 9, 2024 16:53:23 GMT
It is people that make cultures in part due to pressures of the environment. If people move from one location their attitudes, culture and beliefs generally move with them. I would have thought history shows us that to be almost universally true. Does it? Care to share this history? The Vikings who settled in the UK and quickly adapted to be farmers instead of raiders when they saw the advantages. History shows the opposite. Northern Ireland; many cities in the ME over hundreds of years had quarters whereby different groups kept to themselves; the Landsker line; as regards Vikings the Pale existed for many years in Ireland; the Pale in Russia where Pogroms were commonplace; Walloons and Flems in Belgium; German ethnic groups in Czeoslovakia, Poland and Belarus, Russians in the Baltic states, the Balkans have blown up many times as regards ethnic tensions; Israel and Palestine; Biafra; Rwanda; Kenya and Uganda and Asians, South Africa: the list is almost endless. |
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Post by Tinculin on Mar 9, 2024 17:45:49 GMT
No you didn’t have a point but resorted to diversions but no matter As always I tried to genuinely answer. Feel free to piss off.
You're receiving a 7 day suspension to the MZ, feel free to request it to be lifted after a week has passed.
Do it again and a ban from this forum will be applied. |
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