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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2024 17:28:39 GMT
I gave you the Philippines, and India has 200 million Muslims. North Korea is atheist. And you missed out Russia Orthodox Christian. But do tell what is a Muslim democracy? One is a religion the other a voting system? What is a Christian democracy? Is there any country that has only one religion in it? Where everyone believes there is a god and its the same god. If you can give me an example so I can better answer your question. At the moment it feels like you're asking me to list right footed democracies? The two are non dependant . Oh my gosh, I'm SO sorry. I was focusing on the fact it was not Muslim and was not democratic. I do apologise most profusely. TBH I've no idea what you want, it appeared to be peaceful Muslim countries as compared to peaceful non Muslim ones, but I have no real idea what you trying to prove if its not that. As for where you said Muslim democracies? Well there v just below this sentence. Only 22% of the Europeans are practicing Christians most are agnostic. My point about Russia is that functioning democracy is not dependent on being Christian or non Muslim. Its dependent on many other things as I did try to point out while wasting my time. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 5, 2024 17:33:12 GMT
Oh my gosh, I'm SO sorry. I was focusing on the fact it was not Muslim and was not democratic. I do apologise most profusely. TBH I've no idea what you want, it appeared to be peaceful Muslim countries as compared to peaceful non Muslim ones, but I have no real idea what you trying to prove if its not that. As for where you said Muslim democracies? Well there v just below this sentence. Only 22% of the Europeans are practicing Christians most are agnostic. My point about Russia is that functioning democracy is not dependent on being Christian or non Muslim. Its dependent on many other things as I did try to point out while wasting my time. No you didn’t have a point but resorted to diversions but no matter |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2024 19:22:51 GMT
No you didn’t have a point but resorted to diversions but no matter As always I tried to genuinely answer. Feel free to piss off. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2024 20:04:31 GMT
No you didn’t have a point but resorted to diversions but no matter It's why there's no point in engaging with Islamists. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2024 20:21:27 GMT
No you didn’t have a point but resorted to diversions but no matter It's why there's no point in engaging with Islamists. Good to see you B4 its like a full stop at the end of the thread. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 5, 2024 20:55:13 GMT
It doesn't matter because i am talking about the aggregate effect on society, not the conduct of an individual. Yes but that's still based on the notion that all Muslims are people with a political agenda that is orthogonal / alien to our social order. If you're saying that's the case then where is your evidence? If you agree that it's not the case can you then clarify what % you think it applies to? No he referred to the aggregate affect on society. We can measure that to some degree by several specific items. Proportion of Muslims in prison as a proportion to the their numbers in the whole population. Muslims responsible for terrorist activity proportional to their numbers in the whole population. Number of Muslims on the terrorist watchlist proportional to their numbers in the whole population The number of Muslims economically inactive as a proportion of their numbers in the whole population.. Then we can move worldwide, the relative interaction of Muslims with other religions when Muslims are in power and when Muslims are not in power. A much more complicated undertaking but many times it has been studied and found to be a problem as in:- Banda Aceh in Indonesia where Muslims and non Muslims are subject to beatings for moral crimes against the Shariah Egypt where Coptic Christians are subject to violence and intimidation and laws made against them. Pakistan where non Muslims are at risk of beatings and death if they are accused of blasphemy against Islam. Bangladesh where Christians and their churches are regularly attacked. Kosovo where Christian churches regularly suffer arson attacks. These are clear measures of what Muslims bring with them as a group, that is not all Muslims, nor is it necessarily a high percentage of Muslims but in aggregate it amounts to a problem for the host country that receives Muslim immigration over and above the problems one may expect with any group. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 5, 2024 21:00:07 GMT
No you didn’t have a point but resorted to diversions but no matter As always I tried to genuinely answer. Feel free to piss off. Cheers Zany old chap and enjoy your evening  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2024 21:19:13 GMT
Yes but that's still based on the notion that all Muslims are people with a political agenda that is orthogonal / alien to our social order. If you're saying that's the case then where is your evidence? If you agree that it's not the case can you then clarify what % you think it applies to? No he referred to the aggregate affect on society. We can measure that to some degree by several specific items. Proportion of Muslims in prison as a proportion to the their numbers in the whole population. Muslims responsible for terrorist activity proportional to their numbers in the whole population. Number of Muslims on the terrorist watchlist proportional to their numbers in the whole population The number of Muslims economically inactive as a proportion of their numbers in the whole population.. Then we can move worldwide, the relative interaction of Muslims with other religions when Muslims are in power and when Muslims are not in power. A much more complicated undertaking but many times it has been studied and found to be a problem as in:- Banda Aceh in Indonesia where Muslims and non Muslims are subject to beatings for moral crimes against the Shariah Egypt where Coptic Christians are subject to violence and intimidation and laws made against them. Pakistan where non Muslims are at risk of beatings and death if they are accused of blasphemy against Islam. Bangladesh where Christians and their churches are regularly attacked. Kosovo where Christian churches regularly suffer arson attacks. These are clear measures of what Muslims bring with them as a group, that is not all Muslims, nor is it necessarily a high percentage of Muslims but in aggregate it amounts to a problem for the host country that receives Muslim immigration over and above the problems one may expect with any group. I doubt any sane western person would want to test the theory when there is this level of evidence to suggest they're betting on the wrong horse, especially when those who do want it can't even address reality. It isn't like it is anything new either. It's a reality that goes all the way back the origins, back to Medina. One could argue that Islamism is newer, but since it's designed specifically to penetrate western politics then it's obviously a poorly disguised trojan horse. While I cannot say with absolute certainty, I can only reiterate the points you have raised, in that it's reality in many places around the world. It really is playing with fire.
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Post by Orac on Mar 5, 2024 22:47:01 GMT
It doesn't matter because i am talking about the aggregate effect on society, not the conduct of an individual. Yes but that's still based on the notion that all Muslims are people with a political agenda that is orthogonal / alien to our social order. If you're saying that's the case then where is your evidence? This is where we came in three pages ago. Part of the problem is semantic and part of it historical. Islam sees itself as a nation with a set of laws, which is in opposition to, or competition with, other nations. It's objective (instruction) is to take control and enforce its rule. Think about this as a simple mimetic survival strategy. Muslims and Christians do not mean the same thing when they use the word 'religion' |
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Post by Orac on Mar 5, 2024 22:49:57 GMT
I gave you the Philippines, and India has 200 million Muslims. North Korea is atheist. And you missed out Russia Orthodox Christian. But do tell what is a Muslim democracy? One is a religion the other a voting system? What is a Christian democracy? Is there any country that has only one religion in it? Where everyone believes there is a god and its the same god. If you can give me an example so I can better answer your question. At the moment it feels like you're asking me to list right footed democracies? The two are non dependant . FYI most of the western world are nominally Christian and democratic I asked you about functioning democracies in the Muslim world. A rhetorical question. There is a reason for this striking disparity. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 5, 2024 23:32:15 GMT
Yes but that's still based on the notion that all Muslims are people with a political agenda that is orthogonal / alien to our social order. If you're saying that's the case then where is your evidence? If you agree that it's not the case can you then clarify what % you think it applies to? No he referred to the aggregate affect on society. We can measure that to some degree by several specific items. Proportion of Muslims in prison as a proportion to the their numbers in the whole population. Muslims responsible for terrorist activity proportional to their numbers in the whole population. Number of Muslims on the terrorist watchlist proportional to their numbers in the whole population The number of Muslims economically inactive as a proportion of their numbers in the whole population.. Then we can move worldwide, the relative interaction of Muslims with other religions when Muslims are in power and when Muslims are not in power. A much more complicated undertaking but many times it has been studied and found to be a problem as in:- Banda Aceh in Indonesia where Muslims and non Muslims are subject to beatings for moral crimes against the Shariah Egypt where Coptic Christians are subject to violence and intimidation and laws made against them. Pakistan where non Muslims are at risk of beatings and death if they are accused of blasphemy against Islam. Bangladesh where Christians and their churches are regularly attacked. Kosovo where Christian churches regularly suffer arson attacks. These are clear measures of what Muslims bring with them as a group, that is not all Muslims, nor is it necessarily a high percentage of Muslims but in aggregate it amounts to a problem for the host country that receives Muslim immigration over and above the problems one may expect with any group. Good post. |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 6, 2024 8:37:57 GMT
Yes but that's still based on the notion that all Muslims are people with a political agenda that is orthogonal / alien to our social order. If you're saying that's the case then where is your evidence? If you agree that it's not the case can you then clarify what % you think it applies to? No he referred to the aggregate affect on society. We can measure that to some degree by several specific items. Proportion of Muslims in prison as a proportion to the their numbers in the whole population. Muslims responsible for terrorist activity proportional to their numbers in the whole population. Number of Muslims on the terrorist watchlist proportional to their numbers in the whole population The number of Muslims economically inactive as a proportion of their numbers in the whole population.. Then we can move worldwide, the relative interaction of Muslims with other religions when Muslims are in power and when Muslims are not in power. A much more complicated undertaking but many times it has been studied and found to be a problem as in:- Banda Aceh in Indonesia where Muslims and non Muslims are subject to beatings for moral crimes against the Shariah Egypt where Coptic Christians are subject to violence and intimidation and laws made against them. Pakistan where non Muslims are at risk of beatings and death if they are accused of blasphemy against Islam. Bangladesh where Christians and their churches are regularly attacked. Kosovo where Christian churches regularly suffer arson attacks. These are clear measures of what Muslims bring with them as a group, that is not all Muslims, nor is it necessarily a high percentage of Muslims but in aggregate it amounts to a problem for the host country that receives Muslim immigration over and above the problems one may expect with any group. "Proportion of Muslims in prison as a proportion to the their numbers in the whole population." Less than 1%. "Muslims responsible for terrorist activity proportional to their numbers in the whole population." Less than 1% of 1%. "Number of Muslims on the terrorist watchlist proportional to their numbers in the whole population" Around 1% "The number of Muslims economically inactive as a proportion of their numbers in the whole population." 41.9% |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 6, 2024 8:39:15 GMT
Yes but that's still based on the notion that all Muslims are people with a political agenda that is orthogonal / alien to our social order. If you're saying that's the case then where is your evidence? This is where we came in three pages ago. Part of the problem is semantic and part of it historical. Islam sees itself as a nation with a set of laws, which is in opposition to, or competition with, other nations. It's objective (instruction) is to take control and enforce its rule. Think about this as a simple mimetic survival strategy. Muslims and Christians do not mean the same thing when they use the word 'religion' You honestly believe that everyone who identifies as Muslim is dedicated to this? |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 6, 2024 8:49:08 GMT
No he referred to the aggregate affect on society. We can measure that to some degree by several specific items. Proportion of Muslims in prison as a proportion to the their numbers in the whole population. Muslims responsible for terrorist activity proportional to their numbers in the whole population. Number of Muslims on the terrorist watchlist proportional to their numbers in the whole population The number of Muslims economically inactive as a proportion of their numbers in the whole population.. Then we can move worldwide, the relative interaction of Muslims with other religions when Muslims are in power and when Muslims are not in power. A much more complicated undertaking but many times it has been studied and found to be a problem as in:- Banda Aceh in Indonesia where Muslims and non Muslims are subject to beatings for moral crimes against the Shariah Egypt where Coptic Christians are subject to violence and intimidation and laws made against them. Pakistan where non Muslims are at risk of beatings and death if they are accused of blasphemy against Islam. Bangladesh where Christians and their churches are regularly attacked. Kosovo where Christian churches regularly suffer arson attacks. These are clear measures of what Muslims bring with them as a group, that is not all Muslims, nor is it necessarily a high percentage of Muslims but in aggregate it amounts to a problem for the host country that receives Muslim immigration over and above the problems one may expect with any group. "Proportion of Muslims in prison as a proportion to the their numbers in the whole population." Less than 1%. "Muslims responsible for terrorist activity proportional to their numbers in the whole population." Less than 1% of 1%. "Number of Muslims on the terrorist watchlist proportional to their numbers in the whole population" Around 1% "The number of Muslims economically inactive as a proportion of their numbers in the whole population." 41.9% Not sure where you get your figures from. Muslims are overrepresented in prisons comparative to their population size in the UK. I'd hazard a reasonable estimate that they're also overrepresented on the terror watch list too. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 6, 2024 8:52:03 GMT
No he referred to the aggregate affect on society. We can measure that to some degree by several specific items. Proportion of Muslims in prison as a proportion to the their numbers in the whole population. Muslims responsible for terrorist activity proportional to their numbers in the whole population. Number of Muslims on the terrorist watchlist proportional to their numbers in the whole population The number of Muslims economically inactive as a proportion of their numbers in the whole population.. Then we can move worldwide, the relative interaction of Muslims with other religions when Muslims are in power and when Muslims are not in power. A much more complicated undertaking but many times it has been studied and found to be a problem as in:- Banda Aceh in Indonesia where Muslims and non Muslims are subject to beatings for moral crimes against the Shariah Egypt where Coptic Christians are subject to violence and intimidation and laws made against them. Pakistan where non Muslims are at risk of beatings and death if they are accused of blasphemy against Islam. Bangladesh where Christians and their churches are regularly attacked. Kosovo where Christian churches regularly suffer arson attacks. These are clear measures of what Muslims bring with them as a group, that is not all Muslims, nor is it necessarily a high percentage of Muslims but in aggregate it amounts to a problem for the host country that receives Muslim immigration over and above the problems one may expect with any group. "Proportion of Muslims in prison as a proportion to the their numbers in the whole population." Less than 1%. "Muslims responsible for terrorist activity proportional to their numbers in the whole population." Less than 1% of 1%. "Number of Muslims on the terrorist watchlist proportional to their numbers in the whole population" Around 1% "The number of Muslims economically inactive as a proportion of their numbers in the whole population." 41.9% From uk gov website (your figures appear misleading) Table 3.1: Proportion of terrorism-related arrests subsequently charged by religion (September 2001 to August 2012)  |
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