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Post by happyhornet on Mar 5, 2024 10:14:03 GMT
Well I'm not the one advocating outlawing specific belief systems so I don't have to make an argument for it. The vast majority of Muslims seem to be law abiding citizens. Which law? as their belief system has its own law, which it could be said is not exactly in line with this invention of Liberal democracy? Again it could be said that any number of religious and political belief systems. I think you and others may be overlooking the law of unforseen consequences. Barring something miraculous by the end of this year there will be a Labour government, do you really want to set a precedent before then whereby a belief system has been criminalised because of extremist adherents? |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 5, 2024 10:18:23 GMT
Which law? as their belief system has its own law, which it could be said is not exactly in line with this invention of Liberal democracy? Again it could be said that any number of religious and political belief systems. I think you and others may be overlooking the law of unforseen consequences. Barring something miraculous by the end of this year there will be a Labour government, do you really want to set a precedent before then whereby a belief system has been criminalised because of extremist adherents? No just an honest answer, which law? I couldn't honestly careless if another Labour government get voted in by a tiny minority waving around a made-up Liberal democracy banner, so do the Conservatives. You said the vast majority adhere to the law, so which law? |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 5, 2024 10:19:02 GMT
Well I've no way of knowing do I? So shall we outlaw the lot of them just to be on the safe side? so what leads you to believe this? - surely something must have given you the idea? I'm not saying I believe anything, I'm saying you never know. So if we are going to criminalise one belief system with extreme adherents why shouldn't we criminalise all? Bear in mind for some British citizens the presence in this country of extremists who despise them and want them gone is nothing new. They were told however that freedom of speech meant they had to put up with them even when they were on the ballot at elections. |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 5, 2024 10:19:49 GMT
Again it could be said that any number of religious and political belief systems. I think you and others may be overlooking the law of unforseen consequences. Barring something miraculous by the end of this year there will be a Labour government, do you really want to set a precedent before then whereby a belief system has been criminalised because of extremist adherents? No just an honest answer, which law? I couldn't honestly careless if another Labour government get voted in by a tiny minority waving around a made-up Liberal democracy banner, so do the Conservatives. You said the vast majority adhere to the law, so which law? Sorry what law are you asking me about? |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 5, 2024 10:22:20 GMT
Again it could be said that any number of religious and political belief systems. I think you and others may be overlooking the law of unforseen consequences. Barring something miraculous by the end of this year there will be a Labour government, do you really want to set a precedent before then whereby a belief system has been criminalised because of extremist adherents? No just an honest answer, which law? I couldn't honestly careless if another Labour government get voted in by a tiny minority waving around a made-up Liberal democracy banner, so do the Conservatives. You said the vast majority adhere to the law, so which law? I meant the law of this country. I think you would care if a Labour government was to criminalise people like you using far right extremists as a justification. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 5, 2024 10:22:35 GMT
No just an honest answer, which law? I couldn't honestly careless if another Labour government get voted in by a tiny minority waving around a made-up Liberal democracy banner, so do the Conservatives. You said the vast majority adhere to the law, so which law? Sorry what law are you asking me about? Eh? you just told me you know they have a law which part of a belief system, which isn't necessarily in line with the law of the land, so which do the ahdere too? it isn't a trick question. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 5, 2024 10:24:14 GMT
No just an honest answer, which law? I couldn't honestly careless if another Labour government get voted in by a tiny minority waving around a made-up Liberal democracy banner, so do the Conservatives. You said the vast majority adhere to the law, so which law? I meant the law of this country. I think you would care if a Labour government was to criminalise people like you using far right extremists as a justification. Feck new Labour, I bet I have more voters on my side than they do and stop the far-right nonsense. |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 5, 2024 10:29:08 GMT
Sorry what law are you asking me about? Eh? you just told me you know they have a law which part of a belief system, which isn't necessarily in line with the law of the land, so which do the ahdere too? it isn't a trick question. I can't quote chapter and verse but I'm pretty sure all of the abrahamic religions have passages in their religious texts which are at odds with our laws. |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 5, 2024 10:32:47 GMT
I meant the law of this country. I think you would care if a Labour government was to criminalise people like you using far right extremists as a justification. Feck new Labour, I bet I have more voters on my side than they do and stop the far-right nonsense. I'll say what I want, it's called freedom of speech, one of our core values, you got a problem with it? |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 5, 2024 10:33:55 GMT
so what leads you to believe this? - surely something must have given you the idea? I'm not saying I believe anything, I'm saying you never know. So if we are going to criminalise one belief system with extreme adherents why shouldn't we criminalise all? Bear in mind for some British citizens the presence in this country of extremists who despise them and want them gone is nothing new. They were told however that freedom of speech meant they had to put up with them even when they were on the ballot at elections. But the difference is that we know from experience that a minority of Muslims are a threat to the values of this country - we have no experience or evidence that any conservative members are. Freedom of Speech is a uniquely western liberal invention - nothing similar exists in Islam which is why we see some of the incidents we do. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 5, 2024 10:34:44 GMT
Feck new Labour, I bet I have more voters on my side than they do and stop the far-right nonsense. I'll say what I want, it's called freedom of speech, one of our core values, you got a problem with it? No but obviously you do, because I ask a perfectly legitimate question and you flounder around passing the buck and threaten us with new labour. |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 5, 2024 10:37:21 GMT
I'm not saying I believe anything, I'm saying you never know. So if we are going to criminalise one belief system with extreme adherents why shouldn't we criminalise all? Bear in mind for some British citizens the presence in this country of extremists who despise them and want them gone is nothing new. They were told however that freedom of speech meant they had to put up with them even when they were on the ballot at elections. But the difference is that we know from experience that a minority of Muslims are a threat to the values of this country - we have no experience or evidence that any conservative members are. Freedom of Speech is a uniquely western liberal invention - nothing similar exists in Islam which is why we see some of the incidents we do. But we do know that the far right are a threat to the values of this country. Who's to say they aren't or won't use Trojan horse style infiltration of the conservative party? Some would argue they already have. |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 5, 2024 10:38:14 GMT
I'll say what I want, it's called freedom of speech, one of our core values, you got a problem with it? No but obviously you do, because I ask a perfectly legitimate question and you flounder around passing the buck and threaten us with new labour. I'm not the one telling people not to say certain things. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 5, 2024 10:39:56 GMT
No but obviously you do, because I ask a perfectly legitimate question and you flounder around passing the buck and threaten us with new labour. I'm not the one telling people not to say certain things. Who is then? if you can't actually answer the question why flounder around throwing out accusations at others? |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 5, 2024 10:40:49 GMT
I'm not the one telling people not to say certain things. Who is then? if you can't actually answer the question why flounder around throwing out accusations at others? "stop the far-right nonsense." Your words. |
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