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Post by happyhornet on Mar 4, 2024 14:24:27 GMT
It's no good keep waving it about. If you narrowed search down to small, family owned 'black businesses', you would likely find some 'horrific racism' against people who were obviously white. Consider anyone white applying to work at a Turkish barber, for instance. Large companies do their candidate selection via proxies precisely so they can't be sued for their personal preferences. The proxies often (as a matter of course now) play it safe by discriminating against whites. The objective data suggests that generally it isn't white people who are discriminated against. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 4, 2024 14:29:15 GMT
It's no good keep waving it about. If you narrowed search down to small, family owned 'black businesses', you would likely find some 'horrific racism' against people who were obviously white. Consider anyone white applying to work at a Turkish barber, for instance. Large companies do their candidate selection via proxies precisely so they can't be sued for their personal preferences. The proxies often (as a matter of course now) play it safe by discriminating against whites. The objective data suggests that generally it isn't white people who are discriminated against. Carefully selecting your set so there is more than one reasonable interpretation and then selecting the interpretation you prefer, is not being objective |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 14:30:33 GMT
And you have provided no evidence that there was irrational discrimination . The logical conclusion that these people were denied an interview because they were statistically a poor candidate . Just as the 65year old lap dance candidate would be . How can they be a poor candidate when they have identical qualifications and experience? Like I said if there was evidence of ethnic minorties being poor candidates I'm sure we would know about it. It's therefore safe to assume there is no evidence because they are not. They might the best but statistically more likely to be poor. Just as the 65 year old lap dancer candidate could be sexier than a 22 year old but statistically is very unlikely to be . Maybe there is evidence that some ethnic minorities are statistically more likely to be poor candidates . The evidence might be the fact that 5 years ago quite a few were not given an interview . |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 4, 2024 14:33:20 GMT
How can they be a poor candidate when they have identical qualifications and experience? Like I said if there was evidence of ethnic minorties being poor candidates I'm sure we would know about it. It's therefore safe to assume there is no evidence because they are not. They might the best but statistically more likely to be poor. Just as the 65 year old lap dancer candidate could be sexier than a 22 year old but statistically is very unlikely to be . Maybe there is evidence that some ethnic minorities are statistically more likely to be poor candidates . The evidence might be the fact that 5 years ago quite a few were not given an interview . Where is this evidence? And how is it every HR department in the country apparently has access to it but its never made it into the realm of public knowledge? How is being asian or black going to make you less suited to the job as a chef, shop assistant, accountant or software engineer which the study sent applications to? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 14:38:25 GMT
They might the best but statistically more likely to be poor. Just as the 65 year old lap dancer candidate could be sexier than a 22 year old but statistically is very unlikely to be . Maybe there is evidence that some ethnic minorities are statistically more likely to be poor candidates . The evidence might be the fact that 5 years ago quite a few were not given an interview . Where is this evidence? And how is it every HR department in the country apparently has access to it but its never made it into the realm of public knowledge? How is being asian or black going to make you less suited to the job as a chef, shop assistant, accountant or software engineer which the study sent applications to? I don’t know specifically but it certainly seems that statistically that is the case . It certainly was the case with the people with Irish names . |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 4, 2024 14:39:10 GMT
Where is this evidence? And how is it every HR department in the country apparently has access to it but its never made it into the realm of public knowledge? How is being asian or black going to make you less suited to the job as a chef, shop assistant, accountant or software engineer which the study sent applications to? I don’t know specifically but it certainly seems that statistically that is the case . It certainly was the case with the people with Irish names . What statistics? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 14:51:01 GMT
I don’t know specifically but it certainly seems that statistically that is the case . It certainly was the case with the people with Irish names . What statistics? Meaning that there was a significant chance that the candidate would be a poor one . Just as there is no official statistics regarding 65 year old lap dancers or Irish traveller holiday makers at Pontins . Where are the statistics indicating irrational discrimination? |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 4, 2024 15:42:15 GMT
Meaning that there was a significant chance that the candidate would be a poor one . Just as there is no official statistics regarding 65 year old lap dancers or Irish traveller holiday makers at Pontins . Where are the statistics indicating irrational discrimination? So no statistics then. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 15:47:22 GMT
Meaning that there was a significant chance that the candidate would be a poor one . Just as there is no official statistics regarding 65 year old lap dancers or Irish traveller holiday makers at Pontins . Where are the statistics indicating irrational discrimination? So no statistics then. Where are the statistics indicating irrational discrimination? Looks like there isn’t any either. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 4, 2024 19:53:01 GMT
You don't believe that Muslims in Britain owe their first loyalty to the country they have chosen to live in? No. I believe there religion comes first, but I see no reason for conflict between the two unless we hate Muslims. Do you think a Jews god should come before his country? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 20:06:23 GMT
You don't believe that Muslims in Britain owe their first loyalty to the country they have chosen to live in? No. I believe there religion comes first, but I see no reason for conflict between the two unless we hate Muslims. Do you think a Jews god should come before his country? Or they hate us Zany . |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 4, 2024 20:12:48 GMT
No. I believe there religion comes first, but I see no reason for conflict between the two unless we hate Muslims. Do you think a Jews god should come before his country? Or they hate us Zany . Yes those ones. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 4, 2024 21:33:56 GMT
You don't believe that Muslims in Britain owe their first loyalty to the country they have chosen to live in? No. I believe there religion comes first, but I see no reason for conflict between the two unless we hate Muslims. Do you think a Jews god should come before his country? Sorry Zany you've completely lost me now. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 4, 2024 22:13:18 GMT
You don't believe that Muslims in Britain owe their first loyalty to the country they have chosen to live in? No. I believe there religion comes first, but I see no reason for conflict between the two unless we hate Muslims. Do you think a Jews god should come before his country? So a 5th column then. You heard it here first folks - Muslims are a danger to the UK. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 4, 2024 22:14:52 GMT
No. I believe there religion comes first, but I see no reason for conflict between the two unless we hate Muslims. Do you think a Jews god should come before his country? Sorry Zany you've completely lost me now. Yes its way out there for you. But it means what it says. I think Muslims living here have the right to put their god ahead of the UK. I think that applies to Jews and Christians as well. |
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