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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2024 21:36:28 GMT
Many years ago when I was an apprentice and I was picked on by the foreman, an old cabinet maker told me. "The punishment for being an arsehole is that your an arsehole" I think that's true. You meet people who are always complaining, pushing in or spoiling for a fight, but they are never happy souls. Yeap, worked with a guy about 10 years ago, massive bully, made life miserable for everyone around him. He was on a six figure salary, lived in a palatial home with a beautiful wife and two happy, healthy kids, angriest man I've ever met. Devine punishment. |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 2, 2024 21:37:56 GMT
Yeap, worked with a guy about 10 years ago, massive bully, made life miserable for everyone around him. He was on a six figure salary, lived in a palatial home with a beautiful wife and two happy, healthy kids, angriest man I've ever met. Maybe someone wanted their money back! Only thing I got from him that may have explained why he was the way he was was that he was sent to boarding school as a kid and he seemed quite resentful to his parents about it. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 2, 2024 21:38:14 GMT
Well as we already both agreed not all asylum seekers are asylum seekers then no. So you would have them judge whether an asylum seeker deserves sympathy? Should they apply that standard to all cases? No not asking them to judge anything but to report the facts. Do you know of Ed Murrow,he reported the facts with integrity. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2024 21:47:53 GMT
So you would have them judge whether an asylum seeker deserves sympathy? Should they apply that standard to all cases? No not asking them to judge anything but to report the facts. Do you know of Ed Murrow,he reported the facts with integrity. You can report the facts while showing empathy. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 2, 2024 21:56:25 GMT
You miss the point. I was not saying it was for being a bad customer. I was saying because of the way he behaved he was just a hell of a person. Being a bad customer is one of the effects of being a bad person. You get some who are rude, but this guy left you totally messed up, as if you had done the worst thing in the world but in fact all you were doing is the same normal things you do every day with loads of customers. There is a similar thing I've noticed with some who have been in the army. Some go into the army and come out normal, but there are those who go insane. I have a little theory about this which revolves around the act of killing people. People who kill others are evil and the bible says it is a big no no. It seems like the divine punishment is insanity and it can lead to death via suicide. I get you. God knows I've met a few. But whilst not being god (Sorry everyone, but I'm not) ( I know you're shocked) I would not make them dead for their rudeness. The road to hell has many steps. I think he was just heading in that direction and I met him on the way. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2024 21:58:30 GMT
Who knows did Christ advocate stoning women for adultery? No, but he also stated not one word of the old testament has changed. "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished."That's good of you to quote a bit from Matthew 5, the Sermon on the Mount. Whilst your at it, perhaps you could explain whether all has been accomplished? If so, when and if not what is the all? |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 2, 2024 22:01:55 GMT
No not asking them to judge anything but to report the facts. Do you know of Ed Murrow,he reported the facts with integrity. You can report the facts while showing empathy. Reporting the facts of asylum seekers requires that you show the whole picture of that situation which we both know is not clear cut interviewing a couple in the example you gave is very different |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 2, 2024 22:02:12 GMT
Maybe someone wanted their money back! Only thing I got from him that may have explained why he was the way he was was that he was sent to boarding school as a kid and he seemed quite resentful to his parents about it. Those places were designed to create the bureaucrats that were to run the British Empire. I understand the induction process is brutal and there is a lot of dodgy stuff that goes on as well. Someone I know well went to one which was run by monks and he suffered as well. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2024 22:30:01 GMT
No, but he also stated not one word of the old testament has changed. "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished."That's good of you to quote a bit from Matthew 5, the Sermon on the Mount. Whilst your at it, perhaps you could explain whether all has been accomplished? If so, when and if not what is the all? Good lord no. I'm no Christian. My god is a much more reasoned and modern character. My favourite is that god is an homogeneous group of all the people who have ever lived in a sort of quantum cloud. Trying to help those who ask for it. A friend the other day suggested that the reason some people don't go to heaven is that they were so obnoxious the quantum cloud doesn't want them. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 3, 2024 8:44:59 GMT
Jeez that is the biggest form of goalpost moving of the day, for Gods sake Zany! I disagree. The claim is the BBC should not show sympathy. It was not that they should choose who deserves sympathy. Sympathy is not criminal, but it clearly isn't an objective position. On this matter, they could take my position or yours - 1 ) These people are unfortunates who are in this situation through no fault of their own 2) These people are fraudsters, who should either go back home to help sort out their own country or apply for asylum in France, so they can be deported. My view has the British public as potential victims of a fraud and your view has these people as the victims of the British public's unwillingness to let everyone into their country. The BBC should ideally present both views dispassionately - it should not be championing causes like this. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 3, 2024 9:56:52 GMT
When I was born there were less than 50,000 Muslims in this non-islamic country. Today there are 4 million, that's the official figure, who knows what the actual figure might be. And as their numbers grow the more aggressive and demanding they become. Muslims do not integrate, islam is a throwback to the dark ages and is incompatible with anything other than islam. So the issue is the existence of people who hold views and beliefs you disagree with? I suspect you may have more in common with muslim extremists than you realise. And it's true, some muslims don't integrate, but plenty do, if you don't recognise the latter as British/English then you've got no business complaining about lack of integration, you're part of the problem. No not at all. My issue is people who refuse to integrate, people who leave bombs on busses and in theatres, gangs of people who who rape children on an industrial scale, people who have changed our cities into lawless crime ridden shit tips where knives and gang culture is now the norm. That is my issue. |
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Post by happyhornet on Mar 3, 2024 10:49:34 GMT
So the issue is the existence of people who hold views and beliefs you disagree with? I suspect you may have more in common with muslim extremists than you realise. And it's true, some muslims don't integrate, but plenty do, if you don't recognise the latter as British/English then you've got no business complaining about lack of integration, you're part of the problem. No not at all. My issue is people who refuse to integrate, people who leave bombs on busses and in theatres, gangs of people who who rape children on an industrial scale, people who have changed our cities into lawless crime ridden shit tips where knives and gang culture is now the norm. That is my issue. All of which has nothing to do with the vast majority of Muslims in this country. Do you take responsibility for every crime committed by people in your demographic group? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 3, 2024 10:56:13 GMT
No not at all. My issue is people who refuse to integrate, people who leave bombs on busses and in theatres, gangs of people who who rape children on an industrial scale, people who have changed our cities into lawless crime ridden shit tips where knives and gang culture is now the norm. That is my issue. All of which has nothing to do with the vast majority of Muslims in this country. Do you take responsibility for every crime committed by people in your demographic group? I didn't mention the vast majority of any demographic. But I think if most people in this none Islamic country were asked which demographic, in their opinion, was the most aggressive, most disruptive, most demanding, most trouble, I think we both know what the popular response would be. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 3, 2024 11:02:15 GMT
I disagree. The claim is the BBC should not show sympathy. It was not that they should choose who deserves sympathy. Sympathy is not criminal, but it clearly isn't an objective position. On this matter, they could take my position or yours - 1 ) These people are unfortunates who are in this situation through no fault of their own 2) These people are fraudsters, who should either go back home to help sort out their own country or apply for asylum in France, so they can be deported. My view has the British public as potential victims of a fraud and your view has these people as the victims of the British public's unwillingness to let everyone into their country. The BBC should ideally present both views dispassionately - it should not be championing causes like this. Where we might agree is that BBC reporters carefully pick the refugees they interview deliberately picking those who look most deserving (Such as a man with two young children.) I think they do this to counter the current narrative that none are deserving. Indeed your accusations of me evidence this point, for the moment I suggest some asylum seekers are genuine you immediately claim I want to invite the world to live here. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 3, 2024 11:02:20 GMT
I'm unsure about the claim 'it has nothing to do with the vast majority of Muslims in this country'.
Don't the vast majority of Muslims live in areas which are overwhelmingly populated by other Muslims, areas which all exhibit the characteristics that Red Rackham has described?
How can it possibly have nothing to do with them?
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