|
Post by Totheleft on Feb 27, 2024 14:21:23 GMT
But some are trying to say they are There one who posted What's broken the Rules of the Forum ISIS =ISLAM IN BRITAIN Is that not the point that we go on what individuals actually say as opposed to blaming them for what others say. Lee Anderson has not said anything of the sort and in fact was at pains to point out exactly what he did say. It seems very much the political tool being used mainly by the left, chastise and seek ostracization against people for what one says they said or mean and not deal with the point being made. We have been here many times before. I ask you the same question I asked Red do you feel.the Same About Ant-Semtics who say the Same rubbish it's stops them voicing there Views if not why not
|
|
|
Post by steppenwolf on Feb 27, 2024 14:23:43 GMT
If I was advising Rishi, I'd tell him to base his words on some of the sentiments expressed by Lee Anderson in his statement yesterday. Give a commitment to upholding and enhancing our rights to free speech in Britain. Emphasising, similarly to Mr.Anderson, that you respect people of ALL backgrounds, which obviously includes those of an Islamic background ..... and finish by taking another leaf out of Mr.Anderson's book by saying how opposed you are to attempts to tar the whole of one section of Society with the same brush. This is the same Left wing argument whenever muslims are discussed. The shout goes up that not ALL muslims are terrorists/rapists etc etc - usually when no one has said that ALL muslims are anything. However muslims do share a common ideology - far more closely than, say, Christians do - because islam is far more prescriptive than most other religions. And we have a pretty good idea what muslims think because of all the polls that have been done on their opinions. For example nearly 50% of muslims want to have sharia law in the UK and many muslims are married according to sharia law (in England) which gives women virtually no rights. Als nearly 50% of muslims believe that violence is justifiable to impose their own laws. A large minority of muslims felt that the 7/7 bombings (where 52 people were killed and many hundreds seriously injured) were regarded as justified by a large minority of muslims. The common statement that it's only a tiny minority of muslims are involved in terrorism is true in that only a tiny minority are involved in the acts of terrorism but there's a very large minority who fully support terrorism - the terrorists couldn't do it without the support of many people. When Hamas murdered about 1400 people in Israel on Oct 7th there were mass celebrations among the civilian population of Gaza. The terrorists were feted. Likewise when Salah Abdeslam committed the atrocity in Paris he simply went to Belgium and lived (openly) in Molenbeek for months. Everyone knew who he was but no one reported him - he was a hero. So I get a bit fed up with the politicians prefacing any slight criticism of muslims with the statement "Most musilms are peaceful law-abiding people". No they're not.
|
|
|
Post by oracle75 on Feb 27, 2024 17:09:07 GMT
It does feel like the Tory civil war, expected after the election, is becoming difficult to control. The populists want a party that deals in hatred, division, lies and conspiracy importing the politics of Trump in the USA. One Nationers dont want the party they have been part of for many years to disappear down that rabbit hole. Braverman and Truss comments in this respect were far more serious than the cartoon "baddie" Anderson but Sunak is far too weak to deal with them. And so it goes on until the bunfight post election. For the country's sake, better surely to get it over with in May. I have not got to grips with why Anderson's comments were Islamophobic and as such unacceptable, some are even saying they were racist comments. Could you explain please? Why are his comments different to the comments about Farage being in collusion with Putin. Both are opinions about UK political figures expressed freely. Because he was saying that the democratically elecred mayor of London is leading the way to an eventual Islamic takeover of the country. This dusty old trope was repeatedly discussed years ago. It is based on one person's opinion supported by nothing but bigotry. It is stirring the cesspit of race hate again. On the orher hand I wouldnt mind getting rid of Braverman and Patel on the same basis.
|
|
|
Post by Orac on Feb 27, 2024 17:10:26 GMT
Likely, his view is that Islam is a historic criminal organisation that often conquers nations by moving its people in and hijacking the processes of its enemy God give me strength, what plannet do you live on ? ... Islam is the same as Christianity I think that's really a matter of opinion. While there are similarities there are also significant differences. While Christianity tends to draw a line between what it calls the secular / temporal realms and the spiritual, Islam sees itself as the proper authority for both. Part of the problem is semantic - ie what Islam sees as 'religion' or a 'religious matter' is not what the Christian west sees. Islam views itself (in our terms) as both a religion and a law wielding nation who is set in opposition to (competition with?) other nations. If you don't see this difference as significant, perhaps you don't share Mr Anderson's view that large amounts of Islamic immigration and the consequent penetration of Islamic believers into our institutions should be of any concern to us non Muslims.
|
|
|
Post by oracle75 on Feb 27, 2024 17:35:33 GMT
Of all the faiths on the planet, Christianity has been responsible for more conquest slavery, exploitation, and crimes against humanity than any other.
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Feb 27, 2024 17:40:03 GMT
Of all the faiths on the planet, Christianity has been responsible for more conquest slavery, exploitation, and crimes against humanity than any other. Islam says “ Hold my beer “.
|
|
|
Post by witchfinder on Feb 27, 2024 17:51:33 GMT
God give me strength, what plannet do you live on ? ... Islam is the same as Christianity, they both spring from the same roots, both The Bible and The Quoran contain MANY passages which are incompatible with the modern world. Your the same as many posters on this forum, you are simply intolerant, a bigot, you are full of hatred for people of a particualr faith for no good or valid reason, other than your ignorance. What could the possible outcome be of this Crussade that people like you and Lee Anderson are on ?, people of a particular religion feeling isolated and ostracized, singled out for hatred and criticism. A society even more divided than what it now is, trouble on our streets, a kind of civil war and terrorism ... which people like you created. Its not Muslims who are the problem ... its those who seek to create a divided society, and like Millions of white, indigenous Britons, I am on the side of the innocent party. Yes they are so fucking innocent fiddles they killed 1000's on 911 along with all the other fucking murders they have committed...Did you clap on 911 fiddles? Another dumb imbicile with not an ounce of intelligence, it is not the fault of every British Muslim that some terrorists from Al Quaida decided to fly a plane into a skyscraper in the United Stated.
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Feb 27, 2024 17:57:12 GMT
Yes they are so fucking innocent fiddles they killed 1000's on 911 along with all the other fucking murders they have committed...Did you clap on 911 fiddles? Another dumb imbicile with not an ounce of intelligence, it is not the fault of every British Muslim that some terrorists from Al Quaida decided to fly a plane into a skyscraper in the United Stated. If you concede that white privilege is false and white people owe nothing to the descendants of slaves then I might consider your point but until then ….British Muslims belong to the same cult with the same indoctrination as the bombers .
|
|
|
Post by Orac on Feb 27, 2024 17:58:59 GMT
Of all the faiths on the planet, Christianity has been responsible for more conquest slavery, exploitation, and crimes against humanity than any other. That's certainly an interesting perspective. So, you would not advise Muslim countries, whose populations wanted to remain in a culturally Muslim society, to import tens of millions of Christians and promote them into their institutions?
|
|
|
Post by witchfinder on Feb 27, 2024 18:01:08 GMT
God give me strength, what plannet do you live on ? ... Islam is the same as Christianity, they both spring from the same roots, both The Bible and The Quoran contain MANY passages which are incompatible with the modern world. Your the same as many posters on this forum, you are simply intolerant, a bigot, you are full of hatred for people of a particualr faith for no good or valid reason, other than your ignorance. What could the possible outcome be of this Crussade that people like you and Lee Anderson are on ?, people of a particular religion feeling isolated and ostracized, singled out for hatred and criticism. A society even more divided than what it now is, trouble on our streets, a kind of civil war and terrorism ... which people like you created. Its not Muslims who are the problem ... its those who seek to create a divided society, and like Millions of white, indigenous Britons, I am on the side of the innocent party. People like you have created a divided society hellbent in "rubbing the right's noses in diversity". People like you have created the touchpaper for civil war and more terrorism in this country. I personally have created or contributed NOTHING towards the society that Britain now is, that is down to history (The British Empire) and successive governments. Society is what it is, there are people of immigrant background living amongst us, just as there has always been throughout history, you talk about "touchpaper" as though most of our citizens of immigrant or Muslim background are criminals, terrorists or here to force their way of life upon the majority, which of course is wholly untrue. It is the far Right who ARE the problem, because a very large percentage of us white, British people have no issue with living alongside black people, Muslims or people of immigrant background, it is YOU who has the problem.
|
|
|
Post by oracle75 on Feb 27, 2024 18:05:05 GMT
Another dumb imbicile with not an ounce of intelligence, it is not the fault of every British Muslim that some terrorists from Al Quaida decided to fly a plane into a skyscraper in the United Stated. If you concede that white privilege is false and white people owe nothing to the descendants of slaves then I might consider your point but until then ….British Muslims belong to the same cult with the same indoctrination as the bombers . So the white right wing person who shot and killed Jo Cox was the reprsentative of all white right wing adherents. These damn right wing believers pop up all over Europe, so i can categorically say that they are trying to colonise and take over western society. I should perhaps be more worried 😱
|
|
|
Post by oracle75 on Feb 27, 2024 18:12:20 GMT
Of all the faiths on the planet, Christianity has been responsible for more conquest slavery, exploitation, and crimes against humanity than any other. That's certainly an interesting perspective. So, you would advise Muslim countries, whose populations wanted to remain in a culturally Muslim society, to import tens of millions of Christians and promote them into their institutions? Western "Christian" powers have recently tried to infiltrate and change Islamic countries' culture. I well remember the west celebrating the so callled Arab Spring as a victory for western christian culture. Not to mention centuries of missionaries sellung christianity to the natives...and still do. Christianity has ALWAYS set out to conquer and control, from Peter till now.
|
|
|
Post by Orac on Feb 27, 2024 18:14:55 GMT
That's certainly an interesting perspective. So, you would advise Muslim countries, whose populations wanted to remain in a culturally Muslim society, to import tens of millions of Christians and promote them into their institutions? Western "Christian" powers have recently tried to infiltrate and change Islamic countries' culture. I well remember the west celebrating the so callled Arab Spring as a victory for western christian culture. Not to mention centuries of missionaries sellung christianity to the natives...and still do. Christianity has ALWAYS set out to conquer and control, from Peter till now. So, my question is, do you think Islamic countries would be wise to further this colonial process themselves by (say) importing tens of millions of western Christians and promoting them into their institutions?
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Feb 27, 2024 18:15:36 GMT
If you concede that white privilege is false and white people owe nothing to the descendants of slaves then I might consider your point but until then ….British Muslims belong to the same cult with the same indoctrination as the bombers . So the white right wing person who shot and killed Jo Cox was the reprsentative of all white right wing adherents. These damn right wing believers pop up all over Europe, so i can categorically say that they are trying to colonise and take over western society. I should perhaps be more worried 😱 I was reading that very thing by hysterical lefties at the time and I sure I will read more when Labour is elected. Lefties seem to compete with each other in attributing more and more extreme definitions of people who do not agree with them anyway. Starting from ‘ right wing ‘ to ‘ far right wing’ moving on to ‘ extreme right wing’ on then onto evoking Goose stepping Germans in the 1930s . I think you are a bit behind the curve there.
|
|
|
Post by oracle75 on Feb 27, 2024 18:28:42 GMT
So the white right wing person who shot and killed Jo Cox was the reprsentative of all white right wing adherents. These damn right wing believers pop up all over Europe, so i can categorically say that they are trying to colonise and take over western society. I should perhaps be more worried 😱 I was reading that very thing by hysterical lefties at the time and I sure I will read more when Labour is elected. Lefties seem to compete with each other in attributing more and more extreme definitions of people who do not agree with them anyway. Starting from ‘ right wing ‘ to ‘ far right wing’ moving on to ‘ extreme right wing’ on then onto evoking Goose stepping Germans in the 1930s . I think you are a bit behind the curve there. You need to acquaint yourself with history and the human psyche.
|
|