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Post by ratcliff on Apr 17, 2024 10:30:20 GMT
But saying she has what it takes to PM of she needs to be is NOT proof she intends to stab Starmer in the back, not even close. I could take over my boss's role right now if I needed to, I have no intention of stabbing them in the back; I am just ready to step up when needed - like I do every time they take a vacation, or are ill, or need time off for family reasons. All The Best
Extremely unlikely that you could do this . You are not boss material and are happy in your part time job |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 17, 2024 10:40:51 GMT
Letter to The Times 16th April 2024 Sir, having served 9 years as an MP, I know how low politicians can stoop when their backs are against the wall. But the Conservative attack on Angela Rayner is one of the most grotesque spectacles of hypocrisy I have witnessed.
On one side is a billionaire Tory MP, Lord Ashcroft, and a multi millionaire Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, whos families have all avoided paying millions of pounds in UK taxes as beneficiaries of non-dom status, and who live lives of luxury.
On the other is a woman who grew up in poverty caring for her illiterate mother, and who is now mother to a child who is registered blind, and who through her own guts and character has risen to be deputy leader of the Labour Party.
Even Rayners accusers accept that the most she might have benefited from the ERROR that they allege - and which she denies - is less than £3000 in tax.
I suppose that her attackers cannot bear the idea that they are about to lose to a woman who pulled herself up by her bootstraps. And who is going to wipe the floor with them.
Nick Boles
(former Conservative MP for Grantham & Stamford) I doubt if the boot was on the other foot BIG GOB Rayner would accept it was a 'error' ...... Error? Don't make me laugh - the amount is completely irrelevant ( 10 people making the same ''error'' = £30000 evaded tax - 100 people with the same 'error' = £300000 evaded tax etc ) and his bollax excuses about being an ordinary person who has bettered herself must mean that he'd also excuse cash only tradies who evade personal tax and VAT ? This is the Noles who votes Labour, is working for a Labour GE win and cut all ties with the Conservative party years ago - yet still has the audacity to describe himself as an former Conservative MP. What a hypocrite.
A former Tory minister and arch-Remainer has vowed to do everything he can to help Labour succeed as he advises Sir Keir Starmer’s shadow cabinet on preparing for power.
Nick Boles, who quit the Conservative Party five years ago over its “refusal to compromise” on Brexit, is helping Labour get ready for government, with a general election expected in the autumn.
The former skills minister, who served under Lord Cameron, voted Labour in the 2022 local elections and went on to endorse Sir Keir and Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor, arguing that they “best fit the bill”.
He is now offering informal advice to shadow ministers on the transition to power, and told The Telegraph: “I hope Keir Starmer is able to form a government after the next election. I want to do whatever I can to help a Labour administration succeed.”
The arrangement, first reported by Politics Home, shows that Mr Boles has completely cut ties with the Tories.www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/02/19/help-labour-succeed-ex-tory-minister-nick-boles/ |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 17, 2024 10:41:43 GMT
You don't follow politics on social media? Why then are you posting on social media political debate fora ? I mean the throw away social media platforms, like twatter, and X (or whatever it is called this week) and such like. All The Best Hung by your own petard  |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 17, 2024 10:46:44 GMT
I doubt if the boot was on the other foot BIG GOB Rayner would accept it was a 'error' ...... Error? Don't make me laugh - the amount is completely irrelevant ( 10 people making the same ''error'' = £30000 evaded tax - 100 people with the same 'error' = £300000 evaded tax etc ) and his bollax excuses about being an ordinary person who has bettered herself must mean that he'd also excuse cash only tradies who evade personal tax and VAT ? Fear not, when Starmer/Labour/Rayner get to power Rayner intends to STAMP OUT these types of 'errors', she's always SHOUTING about those wealthy dirty filthy scum who avoid paying their taxes ........ LOL |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 17, 2024 11:26:47 GMT
I am not impervious to truth or evidence... And yet every time such is provided you ignore or deny it. Nope, you're an AGL - straight out of the See2 school. But you have NOT provided any. You provided a link to a 3 year old story that showed the exact opposite of what you are claiming. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 17, 2024 11:32:23 GMT
I am not impervious to truth or evidence. Its just you have NOT posted any evidence to suggest your claim is even remotely true. All I asked for was one single shred of evidence that Rayner is intent on politically stabbing Starmer in the back in the near future; you post stiff from 3 years ago that showed Starmer stabbing Rayner in the back. Because I pointed that out you think I am impervious to evidence and truth? I am impervious to bullshit, and that is what you posted. All The Best The allegations of wrongdoing are distracting attention away most other Labour coverage while she remains in place. Mid term this may not have been so much of a problem, but in 12 months of electioneering it is proving harmful… I am kind of in agreement with you here. In any normal job such an accusation / investigation would likely see the accused suspended without pay. However, that then leaves her constituents without Democratic Representation. Which could be solved by a bye-election. But it would be unfair to have her ineligible to run in said bye-election if she were subsequently shown to be innocent of any wrong-doing. So maybe, each MP should have, from within their existing Constituency Staff, a designated "deputy" to take on their representative duties in the case they are temporarily suspended. This would however very likely increase the number of snouts in the trough and so increase the costs of Government. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 17, 2024 11:46:53 GMT
Rayner should step down until the investigations are over. The allegations of wrongdoing are distracting attention away most other Labour coverage while she remains in place. Mid term this may not have been so much of a problem, but in 12 months of electioneering it is proving harmful… I am kind of in agreement with you here. In any normal job such an accusation / investigation would likely see the accused suspended without pay. However, that then leaves her constituents without Democratic Representation. Which could be solved by a bye-election. But it would be unfair to have her ineligible to run in said bye-election if she were subsequently shown to be innocent of any wrong-doing. So maybe, each MP should have, from within their existing Constituency Staff, a designated "deputy" to take on their representative duties in the case they are temporarily suspended. This would however very likely increase the number of snouts in the trough and so increase the costs of Government. All The Best Or maybe Rayner could just demonstrate some of the transparency that she demands of others. After all if she's nothing to hide she's nothing to lose. I wonder why she's so reticent.😉 |
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Post by patman post on Apr 17, 2024 12:37:03 GMT
I am kind of in agreement with you here. In any normal job such an accusation / investigation would likely see the accused suspended without pay. However, that then leaves her constituents without Democratic Representation. Which could be solved by a bye-election. But it would be unfair to have her ineligible to run in said bye-election if she were subsequently shown to be innocent of any wrong-doing. So maybe, each MP should have, from within their existing Constituency Staff, a designated "deputy" to take on their representative duties in the case they are temporarily suspended. This would however very likely increase the number of snouts in the trough and so increase the costs of Government. All The Best Or maybe Rayner could just demonstrate some of the transparency that she demands of others. After all if she's nothing to hide she's nothing to lose. I wonder why she's so reticent.😉 I suggest it's too late now for Rayner to alter her stance while remaining in post — she's a distraction for any Labour spokesperson, whatever message they're intending give, because interviews will always have questions on the Rayner allegations... |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 17, 2024 12:42:59 GMT
I am kind of in agreement with you here. In any normal job such an accusation / investigation would likely see the accused suspended without pay. However, that then leaves her constituents without Democratic Representation. Which could be solved by a bye-election. But it would be unfair to have her ineligible to run in said bye-election if she were subsequently shown to be innocent of any wrong-doing. So maybe, each MP should have, from within their existing Constituency Staff, a designated "deputy" to take on their representative duties in the case they are temporarily suspended. This would however very likely increase the number of snouts in the trough and so increase the costs of Government. All The Best Or maybe Rayner could just demonstrate some of the transparency that she demands of others. After all if she's nothing to hide she's nothing to lose. I wonder why she's so reticent.😉 Did you demand the same of Johnson? If so you have a point, if not you are being hypocritical. I did demand the same of Johnson, but was shouted down by those Johnson supporters who said "innocent until proven guilty", but now demand "guilt by accusation" when it is a Labour MP. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 17, 2024 12:52:16 GMT
Did you demand the same of Johnson? I'm not demanding anything, NullaVeritas - that's Rayner's bag. Hence why she should practice what she preaches. But nice attempted strawman. Very AGL.😉 |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 17, 2024 13:10:24 GMT
Or maybe Rayner could just demonstrate some of the transparency that she demands of others. After all if she's nothing to hide she's nothing to lose. I wonder why she's so reticent.😉 Did you demand the same of Johnson? If so you have a point, if not you are being hypocritical. I did demand the same of Johnson, but was shouted down by those Johnson supporters who said "innocent until proven guilty", but now demand "guilt by accusation" when it is a Labour MP. All The Best You've previously accused BJ of being a known ''crook'' (in the context of the ginger growler's apparent tax evasion and other possible criminal offences ) but still have not shown any detail whatsoever of any conviction . About time you put up |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 17, 2024 13:10:43 GMT
Did you demand the same of Johnson? I'm not demanding anything, NullaVeritas - that's Rayner's bag. Hence why she should practice what she preaches. But nice attempted strawman. Very AGL.😉 I agree with you, if she demanded it of anyone else (and she did) she is hypocritical not to demand it of herself. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 17, 2024 13:11:20 GMT
Did you demand the same of Johnson? If so you have a point, if not you are being hypocritical. I did demand the same of Johnson, but was shouted down by those Johnson supporters who said "innocent until proven guilty", but now demand "guilt by accusation" when it is a Labour MP. All The Best You've previously accused BJ of being a known ''crook'' (in the context of the ginger growler's apparent tax evasion and other possible criminal offences ) but still have not shown any detail whatsoever of any conviction . About time you put up Illegally Prorogued Parliament. All The Best |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 17, 2024 13:24:05 GMT
You've previously accused BJ of being a known ''crook'' (in the context of the ginger growler's apparent tax evasion and other possible criminal offences ) but still have not shown any detail whatsoever of any conviction . About time you put up Illegally Prorogued Parliament. All The Best Eh? Kindly highlight the exact criminal legislation involved and the criminal proceedings in which he was personally convicted of a criminal offence |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 17, 2024 13:56:12 GMT
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