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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2024 18:56:37 GMT
Suella Braverman has vilified an entire faith, typical of the new breed of Tories who play more on culture wars than on ideas or policies to make the country and its people better off. Point One: The vast majority of Britains Muslims are not extremists and would not resort to threataning MPs Point Two: Many people who have strong feelings on the Gaza situation in this country ARE NOT Muslims The war in Gaza has naturally brought out very strong and emotive feelings, on both sides of the argument, from the Israeli / Jewish perspective and from the Palestinian / Muslim perspective, and I can fully understand why many people in this country demand an immediate ceasefire. Yes, Suella Braverman is correct to condemn violence, intimidation, threats of violence etc, but she has done it in such a way as to blame all British Muslims. She COULD HAVE used different words, she COULD HAVE reminded people in her hate speech that most Muslims are perfectly peacefull and law abiding citizens. She's playing games In the article she refers to Islamists. This does not refer to an entire faith. It refers to the extremists in Islam. Islamists are the extremists. Therefore she has not tarred all Muslims with the same brush.
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 23, 2024 18:57:11 GMT
Well let's hope Labour are behind closed doors having a grown up conversion that should go something like this.... Starmer I think we should distance ourselves from these Muslims now, we should go back to grassroots White working classes, these Muslims can be very nasty and dangerous, after all we've done for them. Why just white working class? Are they different from black working class? 🤔
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2024 18:59:31 GMT
Well let's hope Labour are behind closed doors having a grown up conversion that should go something like this.... Starmer I think we should distance ourselves from these Muslims now, we should go back to grassroots White working classes, these Muslims can be very nasty and dangerous, after all we've done for them. Why just white working class? Are they different from black working class? 🤔 Yes they are different the whites work and unwanted coloureds bum from the state..
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 23, 2024 19:02:36 GMT
Well let's hope Labour are behind closed doors having a grown up conversion that should go something like this.... Starmer I think we should distance ourselves from these Muslims now, we should go back to grassroots White working classes, these Muslims can be very nasty and dangerous, after all we've done for them. Why just white working class? Are they different from black working class? 🤔 Bloody hell andrea, Labour were born out of the white working classes, that's like comparing apartheid.
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Post by sandypine on Feb 23, 2024 19:36:58 GMT
The political class have largely themselves to blame. This is the type of antics Ray Honeyford tried to stand up against way back in the 80s and got branded a racist for his trouble and if I recall ostracised from employment. It is also telling that when two BNP MEPs were physically attacked in College Green Westminster the calls for protection were no where to be heard nor when Farage was hounded and intimidated by a mob in Edinburgh, in all there were sly smirks that these people got what they deserved. Now it has all come home to roost the inaction becasue it was against those they disliked has now become the same violent intimidation directed at them in which they were tacit supporters of such action. My sympathy is very low for them. Having said that it is not right it was not right 40 years ago it was not right 15 and 10 years ago and now they are too late the heroes of free speech.
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Post by see2 on Feb 23, 2024 19:51:54 GMT
Grow up Red, your OPINIONS make you look like an idiot. Proper Conservative government? you mean like the crap filled nonsense in the 1980s LOL, There has never been a good Conservative government since the end of WWII, so why would you expect one now? Sorry but your dreams of a proper Conservative government is all in your imagination. Idiot! Not very festive, however. I guarantee I absolutely guarantee that in five years time a "proper centre right Conservative party" will be returned to government in a landslide victory. Believe me, Starmer will take care of that. On the rather stupid point you made about 'there has never been a good Conservative government', can I remind you that the British Conservative party are the most successeful political party in the world. You might not like it, but it's a fact. Suck it up you lefty loser. A proper Conservative government of any description cannot return because that would imply that there had been a previous one. Your comment on Starmer exposes your extreme bias. The most successful thing the Conservatives have ever been good at is fooling the electorate. 11 years of Thatcherism is the clear and obvious proof of that. So success at winning elections and failing the country only proves my point. With the Tories both the country and the people are the real losers.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 23, 2024 20:24:35 GMT
A proper Conservative government of any description cannot return because that would imply that there had been a previous one. Your comment on Starmer exposes your extreme bias. The most successful thing the Conservatives have ever been good at is fooling the electorate. 11 years of Thatcherism is the clear and obvious proof of that. So success at winning elections and failing the country only proves my point. With the Tories both the country and the people are the real losers. LOL, you should do stand up, honestly see2 you're hilarious. You are the epitome of the outraged lefty. For most of the 20th century the Conservative party dominated British politics, it is one of the most successful political parties in the world because more people voted Conservative than Labour. You will of course sneer, but lefty sneers do not alter the facts.
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 23, 2024 20:43:43 GMT
This chap was of course the perfect example of everything that is broken in oursociety In my day if you went to university and did not get enough marks in your first year exam to be awarded a third class pass on your first year effort alone, they threw you into the street. This piece of shit enrolled to study medicine and spent his entire first year drunk pudding his grades up the dissecting room wall But when he crashed and discovered the cult of the child wedder some fuckwit let him 'realign his values' and re enter to study law for fucks sake And for bloody ages he ran several dodgy cult organisations, somehow working out exactly when to jump ship and leave someone else to carry the can Until at long last he fucked up and they bust him for running a proscribed organisation. But it fucking took long enough
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 23, 2024 21:42:05 GMT
...The political class have largely themselves to blame. This is the type of antics Ray Honeyford tried to stand up against way back in the 80s and got branded a racist for his trouble and if I recall ostracised from employment. It is also telling that when two BNP MEPs were physically attacked in College Green Westminster the calls for protection were no where to be heard nor when Farage was hounded and intimidated by a mob in Edinburgh, in all there were sly smirks that these people got what they deserved. Now it has all come home to roost the inaction becasue it was against those they disliked has now become the same violent intimidation directed at them in which they were tacit supporters of such action. My sympathy is very low for them. Having said that it is not right it was not right 40 years ago it was not right 15 and 10 years ago and now they are too late the heroes of free speech. To be honest, I find the irony quite enjoyable. As you say, Labour smirked when their opponents were threatened and assaulted and now it's come to bite them hard. Good. And if a few more Labour MPs get some rough treatment then quite frankly they deserve it because they would happily visit the same on the rest of us.
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 24, 2024 1:07:37 GMT
Suella Braverman does not speak for me... No, she was speaking about you and people like you and how you are a large part of the UKs problems. The cowardly Starmer has a track record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory and his moral cowardice may well come back to bite him come the GE. This is an ongoing concern. Such folk have nurtured and enabled extreme views and actions that attack our democracy. These people pride themselves on the virtue of identity politics. They will end up reaping what they sow. But in the meantime, they won't appreciate opposition to this, like Braverman's article. They''ll continue their long march regardless hell-bent in destroying our nation. I've said time and time again, wishy-washy liberals and far left-rent-a-mob types are as dangerous as Jihadi John. What is even more worrying, is that it is not some virtue signalling appeaser on an internet forum flashing his IP credentials around, but people like Starmer himself who hold high positions within the establishment. Take Charles Moores excellent piece on it: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/parliament-has-taken-the-knee-to-islamists-who-rule-by-fear/
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 24, 2024 2:00:57 GMT
Courtesy of Buccaneer...
Parliament has taken the knee to the Islamists who rule by fear
On June 9 2020, Sir Keir Starmer’s office released a photograph of the Labour leader and his deputy, Angela Rayner, “taking the knee”, in a room in Parliament. It was timed to coincide with the funeral of George Floyd in Minneapolis.
It was literally, metaphorically, and even geographically, a misstep. Kneeling is an act of obeisance, the deferential acceptance of a higher authority. The Leader of the Opposition was making that obeisance in a Parliament whose elected Members are supposed to take the knee to no earthly power.
My impression at the time was that Sir Keir did not fully understand this.
He probably thought he was expressing simple solidarity with victims of racism, but in fact he ceded a dangerous amount of power to an ideology which is itself racist (anti-white and anti-Semitic) and pursues methods that are quasi-revolutionary. Although purging his party of the extremists empowered by Jeremy Corbyn, he was also, unintentionally, giving them aid and comfort.
Little short of four years on, we have the scenes in the House of Commons on Wednesday. The most striking thing about Mr Speaker Hoyle’s action that day was not so much that he defied long-established conventions by handing to Labour an Opposition Day reserved for the SNP – though that was bad – but why he did so.
I am not referring here to the view that Sir Lindsay was trying to save his own job in what might soon be a Labour-controlled House of Commons. I do not know his private motives. I am talking about his publicly stated reasons.
Mr Speaker said he wanted to “prevent further division”. He was worried about the safety of MPs. As he confusedly put it, when he returned to apologise to the House later, “I take very seriously… the danger – that is why I wanted everybody to be able to express their views. I am very, very concerned about the security of all Members.”
It is not the Speaker’s job to “prevent further division”. It is to facilitate division in an orderly way. Indeed, the official word used to describe a vote in Parliament is “a division”. Dividing the House is how parliamentary democracy proceeds. Yet the Speaker himself was frightened. Why?
Because, if we take Sir Lindsay at his word, he feared for “the security of all Members”.
He had been told by some, mostly Labour MPs, that they had been threatened in their constituencies and online. Outside in Parliament Square, a large crowd was calling for whatever ceasefire motion would be most horrible for Israel. He was trying to give time for whatever amendment would cause jittery MPs the least aggro.
The consequence was that a relatively anodyne Labour amendment was passed, with the other parties going on strike in protest at Sir Lindsay’s handling.
The wider effect was that it looked as if Parliament was cowering in terror. The mob, online or out of doors, was affecting what could be said, just as it had intended.
It is striking that the mass lobbies of MPs taking place at present are almost all about Gaza.
The plight of Israel and of Gaza is indeed important, but is it really the issue that dominates the minds of most voters? As voters are saying in the current by-election campaign, “This is Rochdale, not Gaza.” After all, Britain has no direct responsibility for that terrible conflict.
Why am I relating Sir Lindsay’s fiasco on Gaza to Sir Keir’s kneeling at the fate of George Floyd? Because, with the Black Lives Matter (BLM) protests, which bent his knee in the summer of 2020, fear entered the bloodstream of our body politic – fear that if we do not defer to extremism, we might not survive.
The fear is partly of disgrace. This is an era in which the mere accusation of racism can ruin a career, silence a writer, cancel a private bank account. It is also actual physical fear.
In this space three weeks ago, I wrote about the plight of Mike Freer, the Conservative MP for Finchley, who has decided to retire because of the blizzard of threats, insults and worse. His constituency office had been set alight and he was stalked by the Islamist who ended up murdering his parliamentary colleague, Sir David Amess. All the worst threats related to his support for Israel (which makes him, in Islamist minds, a racist).
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 24, 2024 5:28:35 GMT
If you write to starmer he will issue you with a prayer mat if you ask him..... all free of charge of course and paid for by the tax payers... Thanks to the desperate lefty Labour needing votes, they've encouraged mass migration of Muslims, now there is enough of them they can now actually go in opposition to Labour, the daft dumb fuckin stupid arse licking Labour didn't realise this was going to happen.
The Muslims have been laughing their heads off at the lapdog Labour bending over backwards for them, Labour abandoning it's white working class voters in favour of the Muslim votes, well they are going to get their just deserts.
I've explained to you before on a recent thread that the 70..000 or so have little bearing of the General out come Of a GE But you keep saying the same lie that shows your a Dishonesty person.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 24, 2024 5:34:50 GMT
So, supporting Islam is the greatest crime against democracy. It a democratic world it's your right to voice your opinion no matter how vilie It is. You should understand that. As long there not breaking the law what's your objectsion
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 24, 2024 5:44:39 GMT
God help The County then Plus I thought you was Against Mutual -culturism isn't Braverman a product of that? Sorry old chap, codebreakers are still working on this one... Whats up red not like you to mock Me .what I've I said that could possibly of upset you ? Hope you don't need a Code breaker To work this out.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 24, 2024 5:50:27 GMT
Oh well another one off the streets for a while.... Jealous killer who murdered his ex girlfriend’s partner by repeatedly stabbing him on a bus in central Londonistan has been jailed for life.
Oscar Castano-Colque, 21, launched a deadly assault on Rafioullah Malik after bombarding his ex girlfriend with messages saying he still loved her.
Yes we all know crime excist and it's punished what your point of this post.
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