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Post by Orac on Feb 23, 2024 12:54:24 GMT
Suella is speaking plainly about a problem which now must be obvious to anyone who isn't asleep.
If they didn't capitulate, they would have to admit there was a problem...so they capitulate
..and , in doing so, sell the rest of us down the river.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2024 13:01:41 GMT
Suella Braverman has vilified an entire faith, typical of the new breed of Tories who play more on culture wars than on ideas or policies to make the country and its people better off. Point One: The vast majority of Britains Muslims are not extremists and would not resort to threataning MPs Point Two: Many people who have strong feelings on the Gaza situation in this country ARE NOT Muslims The war in Gaza has naturally brought out very strong and emotive feelings, on both sides of the argument, from the Israeli / Jewish perspective and from the Palestinian / Muslim perspective, and I can fully understand why many people in this country demand an immediate ceasefire. Yes, Suella Braverman is correct to condemn violence, intimidation, threats of violence etc, but she has done it in such a way as to blame all British Muslims. She COULD HAVE used different words, she COULD HAVE reminded people in her hate speech that most Muslims are perfectly peacefull and law abiding citizens. She's playing games  |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 23, 2024 13:03:05 GMT
Why is it that white British right wing people can't speak out, I mean Suella is of Indian origin and she's speaking on behalf of British white people, so you can only assume her being a Tory is where the political bias lies, only the lefties can have their say. People are fed up with being gagged, especially while we have Palestine terrorist groups marching FREELY through London chanting racist antisemitism, while Suella is told to shut up she's overstepping the mark FFS.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 23, 2024 13:44:07 GMT
Suella Braverman has vilified an entire faith, typical of the new breed of Tories who play more on culture wars than on ideas or policies to make the country and its people better off. Point One: The vast majority of Britains Muslims are not extremists and would not resort to threataning MPs Point Two: Many people who have strong feelings on the Gaza situation in this country ARE NOT Muslims The war in Gaza has naturally brought out very strong and emotive feelings, on both sides of the argument, from the Israeli / Jewish perspective and from the Palestinian / Muslim perspective, and I can fully understand why many people in this country demand an immediate ceasefire. Yes, Suella Braverman is correct to condemn violence, intimidation, threats of violence etc, but she has done it in such a way as to blame all British Muslims. She COULD HAVE used different words, she COULD HAVE reminded people in her hate speech that most Muslims are perfectly peacefull and law abiding citizens. She's playing games The problem is we have a political class in thrall to the rights of minorities and effectively punishing the majority if they make even the slightest comment deemed hate speech,witness the piano player at the station threatened by a Chinese group for capturing their images whilst he was filming playing. He simply and correctly pointed out that this is Britain and you can film in a public place,the irony is China is the most watched on cctv followed by us and they were complaining they were caught on film. He simply pointed to one of the flags and said it was communist whilst not strictly true and one of the group accused him of touching the woman up,police arrived and one officer spoke to him and said he was accused of touching inappropriately he pointed out it was all on film and that he’d simply touched the Chinese flag and said it was communist and was told you can’t do that….why not? next thing the piano was roped off and guarded for a few days again why? On to Braverman and I’m no great fan but you’re wrong she didn’t once say it was all Muslims but what she pointed out is correct,I have more than a little sympathy for the ordinary people in Gaza and none for Nutanyahu or Hamas. It’s all very well blaming the tories however I was once a labour voter but Blair and his illegal war turned the Middle East upside down accelerated terrorism and started a movement of people that is turning in to a tsunami and was accompanied by him opening our doors wide. Muslims live here and are given the right to follow their religion however a sizeable number have the aim to bring their Stone Age ways here and have said so openly, this is nominally at least a Christian country and we have the right to keep it so that all the people not least the majority’s rights should be respected but increasingly they aren’t and that’s backed by too many in Westminster,we are told we are guilty for the empire slavery and all that was wrong in the past and so should cough up and shut up and take our medicine,well for me that’s a far too bitter pill to swallow and I for one don’t feel the slightest guilt for our past it is the present I’m worried about and if you think pandering to the threat of violence of a minority is the way forward we’re all stuffed. A line needs to be drawn and it made clear to any that extremism and violence by anyone will be met by a term in prison and if you are an immigrant to this country deportation without appeal. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2024 14:03:22 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2024 14:12:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2024 14:34:41 GMT
So, supporting Islam is the greatest crime against democracy. |
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Post by piglet on Feb 23, 2024 14:38:44 GMT
Witchfinder, moderate Muslims wont oppose the extremists because they would get what people get for opposing Muslims. Oppose, die.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 23, 2024 14:48:12 GMT
Suella Braverman has vilified an entire faith... Nope, you just have though. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 23, 2024 14:57:13 GMT
From Suella Braverman: They started with the Jews; there were stern words of disapproval from the top but things only got worse. The Islamist cranks and Left-wing extremists then took control of the streets; the police looked meekly on. They harassed teachers through the courts; our human rights and equalities laws were used against us. They threatened to kill an MP; he decided, justifiably, to leave public life. A respected peer, Lord Austin spoke out against terrorism and Islamism; he was suspended from a job he loves. They have hijacked a by-election in a deprived town in northern England. We see their influence in our judiciary, our legal profession and our universities.
And then they came for Parliament. On a day when Keir Starmer should have shown strength of character, he bowed to the mob, abused his position, and undermined the integrity of Parliament. Conventions cast aside, the Speaker’s legitimacy destroyed, and democracy denied. Trust was shattered by Starmer’s grubby backroom deal. The mask has slipped: in hock to the Islamists, he is responsible for one of the most shameful days of our democracy. By effectively taking the Speaker hostage, he brought Parliament into disrepute. This is the behaviour of tyrants. Just imagine what Starmer would do as Prime Minister.www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/22/islamists-are-bullying-britain-into-submission/Well said Suella Braverman, an excellent article. Weak lefties and aggressive minorities will of course publicly scoff, but behind closed doors they know damned well what she says is perfectly true. Appeasment does not work, yet we continue to appease aggressive minorities. Wow, some truth at last from Westminster. Some have known this for many years. |
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 23, 2024 15:39:52 GMT
Suella Braverman does not speak for me, and she does not speak for Millions of white, British people, she speaks for herself, and for those who agree with her kind of hate speech.
She's pitching herself for the leadership contest ( when it comes ), she's one of those Tories who wants to take the party to the Right.
Lord Austin who Braverman mentions in her warped and twisted rant, is a crank, he has been conclusively proven to have made false allegations about Palestinian humanitarian and human rights groups. He has been repeatedly reprimanded and disciplined by both Parliament and The Labour Party, of which thankfully he is no longer a member.
But who am I to care about Suella Braverman ?, if as the polls suggest, the Tories are well and truly defeated this year, the REAL Tory war will then begin, and though the thoroughly nasty Right may win, it will mean a Tory Party in the political wilderness for at least ten years.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 23, 2024 15:51:25 GMT
Suella Braverman does not speak for me, and she does not speak for Millions of white, British people, she speaks for herself, and for those who agree with her kind of hate speech. She's pitching herself for the leadership contest ( when it comes ), she's one of those Tories who wants to take the party to the Right. Lord Austin who Braverman mentions in her warped and twisted rant, is a crank, he has been conclusively proven to have made false allegations about Palestinian humanitarian and human rights groups. He has been repeatedly reprimanded and disciplined by both Parliament and The Labour Party, of which thankfully he is no longer a member. But who am I to care about Suella Braverman ?, if as the polls suggest, the Tories are well and truly defeated this year, the REAL Tory war will then begin, and though the thoroughly nasty Right may win, it will mean a Tory Party in the political wilderness for at least ten years. The way I see it is the whole of Westminster is standing against British interests. It is very corrupt and very stupid. Labour though have traditionally exceeded the stupidity of the others because of their view that they should do representative politics, like say a coal miner to represent a constituency of coal miners. Some never even passed any of their O levels. When they get into power they can't control it. They get walked over by dodgy people. Then there are those who earn £5m in bribes like Johnson did for selling out our country to the US. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 23, 2024 15:53:33 GMT
Suella Braverman speaks utter bullshit We have a situation where a bunch of terrorists murdered a thousand innocent Israelis, and the response from Israel is to severely punish the entire population of Gaza ( 2.5 Million people ). I would expect many, or most Jews to back the actions of Israel, and I would also expect that most, if not all Muslims would criticise Israel for its response. There is a long held and very widely held belief that it is the ultimate goal of Israel to eventually possess all the lands that they consider as Israel, including the illegally occupied lands, The West Bank and Gaza, including illegally occupied East Jerusalem. This widely held belief appears to be true, bearing in mind the historical actions of Israel, annexation, occupation, intimidation and ceasure of Palestinian land by settlers. Those of us with common sense, argue that those lands which ARE and which WERE until recently mostly populated by Palesinians, ought to be given up by Israel for the purpose of creating a Palestinian state, and that MOST of Israel should be the homeland that the Jewish people have always wanted. The Labour candidate in Rochdale who was rightly suspended from the party, made a statement which may, or may not be true, he suggested that the actions of Israel were a colossal over-reaction, and he repeated a much broadcast story that states that Israel is pursuing its long held aim ( to rid its lands of Palestinians ), by using the terror attack on October 7th as an excuse to further its End Goal. The theory IS PLAUSIBLE, however people in responsible positions should not make unsubstantiated statements, or spread theories without real evidence. Suella Braverman sounds like she simply doesnt understand anything, she doesnt understand history, and she doesnt understand why sympathisers of the Palestinian people speak for a just cause. She is just another right wing Tory bigot, with a completely one sided view of things. Pillock. You and people like you are a part of the problem. |
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 23, 2024 16:13:02 GMT
Calling people names is childish, and reminiscent of a playground
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 23, 2024 16:20:20 GMT
Suella Braverman does not speak for me... No, she was speaking about you and people like you and how you are a large part of the UKs problems. The cowardly Starmer has a track record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory and his moral cowardice may well come back to bite him come the GE. |
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