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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 21, 2024 20:09:27 GMT
It gets better. It's just been revealed that this morning the speaker was advised not to allow the Labour amendment, he was told 'all hell would brake loose'. He ignored the advice, and all hell did indeed brake loose, there was a vote that apparently may not have been legal and there are rumours of a vote of no confidence in the speaker. It's absolute chaos in the Hoc right now. Hoyle was a fool to allow the Labour amendment, and he knows it.
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 20:14:19 GMT
It gets better. It's just been revealed that this morning the speaker was advised not to allow the Labour amendment, he was told 'all hell would brake loose'. He ignored the advice, and all hell did indeed brake loose, there was a vote that apparently may not have been legal and there are rumours of a vote of no confidence in the speaker. It's absolute chaos in the Hoc right now. Hoyle was a fool to allow the Labour amendment, and he knows it. clearly he has been played by starmer , and is now realising the significance of his actions , which may result in him losing his position . I can't see how he carries on . Whats started off as merely a symbolic vote , is snowballing out of control because starmer could not lose face. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 21, 2024 20:25:11 GMT
It seems from what I listened to a short while ago that Hoyle may have saved his job by apologising to the house. He is currently in a meeting with all party leaders and whips. impartiality is a must red. How can Hoyle continue after thats been made public , not just by the twitterati , but by the news night politics editor and people like Peston for example? His motives will be questioned from now on in on every single detail . It's as I said like a football referee found out as being corrupt. As I said starmer will be loving the deflection and breathing a sigh of relief. Sadly I agree. I quite like Hoyle, after the last speaker how could anyone not like him. But today he made a big mistake and he knows it. Thing is, rumour (lol) has it that Sue Gray and Starmer put huge pressure on Hoyle ref his future prospects as speaker if he did not allow Labours amendment. This raises all sorts of questions, not just about the speakers impartiality but about the way Starmer allegedly threatened him. Is this covered under parliamentary privilege? I don't know. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 20:31:34 GMT
impartiality is a must red. How can Hoyle continue after thats been made public , not just by the twitterati , but by the news night politics editor and people like Peston for example? His motives will be questioned from now on in on every single detail . It's as I said like a football referee found out as being corrupt. As I said starmer will be loving the deflection and breathing a sigh of relief. Sadly I agree. I quite like Hoyle, after the last speaker how could anyone not like him. But today he made a big mistake and he knows it. Thing is, rumour (lol) has it that Sue Gray and Starmer put huge pressure on Hoyle ref his future prospects as speaker if he did not allow Labours amendment. This raises all sorts of questions, not just about the speakers impartiality but about the way Starmer allegedly threatened him. Is this covered under parliamentary privilege? I don't know. not sure what will happen from here about Hoyle red. This is though massively calling into question not just his integrity , but starmers as well no matter how much he tries to deflect this onto Hoyle. Chilling vision of a future labour government under this man , and how the rules will be bent or broken for this man to get his way on various issues. From Alec salmond ,to the tories Duncan smith , all are criticising Hoyles actions under starmers direction . Labours Chris Bryant had the cheek to talk the other week of parliament being brought into disrepute and undermining of trust in Westminster . Labour show once agin they can always take politics lower than a snakes belly. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 21, 2024 20:37:54 GMT
It gets better. It's just been revealed that this morning the speaker was advised not to allow the Labour amendment, he was told 'all hell would brake loose'. He ignored the advice, and all hell did indeed brake loose, there was a vote that apparently may not have been legal and there are rumours of a vote of no confidence in the speaker. It's absolute chaos in the Hoc right now. Hoyle was a fool to allow the Labour amendment, and he knows it. clearly he has been played by starmer , and is now realising the significance of his actions , which may result in him losing his position . I can't see how he carries on . Whats started off as merely a symbolic vote , is snowballing out of control because starmer could not lose face. I agree, he has been played by Starmer, and he knows it. I don't think this will result in him losing his position, largely because he apologised to the house earlier. But I'm no constitutional expert, who knows what's going to happen. Can you imagine what's going on behind the scenes right now. Hoyle will be in intense discussions, and so will Starmer. Starmer 'could' come out of this covered in shite. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 20:40:56 GMT
clearly he has been played by starmer , and is now realising the significance of his actions , which may result in him losing his position . I can't see how he carries on . Whats started off as merely a symbolic vote , is snowballing out of control because starmer could not lose face. I agree, he has been played by Starmer, and he knows it. I don't think this will result in him losing his position, largely because he apologised to the house earlier. But I'm no constitutional expert, who knows what's going to happen. Can you imagine what's going on behind the scenes right now. Hoyle will be in intense discussions, and so will Starmer. Starmer 'could' come out of this covered in shite. hopefully. The rochdale by election , where rent a gob galloway is now favourite to win , coming up also. could be a bad few weeks for starmer. hopefully the damage is long lasting. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 21, 2024 20:47:29 GMT
I agree, he has been played by Starmer, and he knows it. I don't think this will result in him losing his position, largely because he apologised to the house earlier. But I'm no constitutional expert, who knows what's going to happen. Can you imagine what's going on behind the scenes right now. Hoyle will be in intense discussions, and so will Starmer. Starmer 'could' come out of this covered in shite. hopefully. The rochdale by election , where rent a gob galloway is now favourite to win , coming up also. could be a bad few weeks for starmer. hopefully the damage is long lasting. Indeed, we live in hope. Ref Galloway, yes I know he's barking, but I cant help thinking he might liven up proceedings in the house. Hey it's an opinion. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 21, 2024 20:49:55 GMT
hopefully. The rochdale by election , where rent a gob galloway is now favourite to win , coming up also. could be a bad few weeks for starmer. hopefully the damage is long lasting. Indeed, we live in hope. Ref Galloway, yes I know he's barking, but I cant help thinking he might liven up proceedings in the house. Hey it's an opinion. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 20:57:07 GMT
hopefully. The rochdale by election , where rent a gob galloway is now favourite to win , coming up also. could be a bad few weeks for starmer. hopefully the damage is long lasting. Indeed, we live in hope. Ref Galloway, yes I know he's barking, but I cant help thinking he might liven up proceedings in the house. Hey it's an opinion. I can't stand galloway , but I have to say in my opinion , he is head and shoulders above the current inhabitants in terms of political ability and oratory skills. Fingers crossed. He hates labour as much as we do .Galloway said recently that the timbers that hold the Labour Party up are rotten to the core. I dont disagree with him. |
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 21, 2024 21:09:13 GMT
Question: If the devious SNP REALLY wanted their motion to pass, or at the very least to attract a substantial number of votes, then why did they word their motion in such a hardline way, heavily biased towards Palestine, and heavily critical of Israel. ?
They must surely know that virtualy no Tories would back it, and more importantly they also know that FEWER Labour MPs would support it.
The devious bastards knew what they were doing, it was all a political game to them to save themselves and an attempt to create divisions in the party that most threatens them - The Labour Party.
If the SNP were remotely serious about pushing through a motion FOR a ceasefire, they would have had different wording in order to attract support from all parties, anyone with an ounce of intelligence can clearly see what they have been up to.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 21, 2024 21:15:41 GMT
Indeed, we live in hope. Ref Galloway, yes I know he's barking, but I cant help thinking he might liven up proceedings in the house. Hey it's an opinion. I can't stand galloway , but I have to say in my opinion , he is head and shoulders above the current inhabitants in terms of political ability and oratory skills. Fingers crossed. He hates labour as much as we do .Galloway said recently that the timbers that hold the Labour Party up are rotten to the core. I dont disagree with him. I dislike Galloways politics but, and I accept this is something of a digression. Did you watch Galloway defend himself before a US Senate Committee in 2004/5 I think. He absolutely slaughtered them, on live TV he made them look like bloody fools. As I said I dislike his politics, but I've watched that Senate hearing several times and for that performance alone, I admire him. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 21:18:42 GMT
Question: If the devious SNP REALLY wanted their motion to pass, or at the very least to attract a substantial number of votes, then why did they word their motion in such a hardline way, heavily biased towards Palestine, and heavily critical of Israel. ? there's 20 opposition days per parliamentary term , the snp get a mere three and labour get 17. the snp set the agenda and debate on their days , not labour. the lack of respect for the westmsinter process , and convention by labour is sickening , not to mention wider issues in the Middle East. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 21:21:42 GMT
I can't stand galloway , but I have to say in my opinion , he is head and shoulders above the current inhabitants in terms of political ability and oratory skills. Fingers crossed. He hates labour as much as we do .Galloway said recently that the timbers that hold the Labour Party up are rotten to the core. I dont disagree with him. I dislike Galloways politics but, and I accept this is something of a digression. Did you watch Galloway defend himself before a US Senate Committee in 2004/5 I think. He absolutely slaughtered them, on live TV he made them look like bloody fools. As I said I dislike his politics, but I've watched that Senate hearing several times and for that performance alone, I admire him.same here red. Ive witnessed three uk politicians stand up to the yanks in my life , thatcher , galloway and salmond. Blair and brown on the other hand arse licked like fawning poodles. aye I did watch it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 21, 2024 21:22:25 GMT
Question: If the devious SNP REALLY wanted their motion to pass, or at the very least to attract a substantial number of votes, then why did they word their motion in such a hardline way, heavily biased towards Palestine, and heavily critical of Israel. ? They must surely know that virtualy no Tories would back it, and more importantly they also know that FEWER Labour MPs would support it. The devious bastards knew what they were doing, it was all a political game to them to save themselves and an attempt to create divisions in the party that most threatens them - The Labour Party. If the SNP were remotely serious about pushing through a motion FOR a ceasefire, they would have had different wording in order to attract support from all parties, anyone with an ounce of intelligence can clearly see what they have been up to. No no no, you're missing the point I think. The absolute chaos in parliament today and indeed tonight, is not the fault of the SNP, it's the fault of the speaker who against advice allowed himself to be bullied by Starmer who was desperate to avoid a rebellion within his own back bench MP's. Todays chaos was designed by Starmer and implemented by the speaker. And the speaker may yet lose his position. |
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 21, 2024 21:27:02 GMT
Question: If the devious SNP REALLY wanted their motion to pass, or at the very least to attract a substantial number of votes, then why did they word their motion in such a hardline way, heavily biased towards Palestine, and heavily critical of Israel. ? there's 20 opposition days per parliamentary term , the snp get a mere three and labour get 17. the snp set the agenda and debate on their days , not labour. the lack of respect for the westmsinter process , and convention by labour is sickening , not to mention wider issues in the Middle East. Thank You for informing me of something I allready knew, but you have not answered my point, which I think is VERY relevant. It very much looks like the SNP motion was purposely worded in such a way, that it would clearly split the Labour Party, and I was wondering why the SNP did this. Instead, they could have worded their motion so as to actually attract support instead As stated in my previous post, they were playing political games |
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