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Post by sandypine on Feb 21, 2024 8:12:31 GMT
New Study: Climate Models Get Water Vapor Wildly Wrong – A ‘Major Gap In Our Understanding’ notrickszone.com/2024/02/19/new-study-climate-models-get-water-vapor-wildly-wrong-a-major-gap-in-our-understanding/A new study published in PNAS has demonstrated, once again, that climate models fail to simulate what happens in the real world with regard to fundamental climate change variables like water vapor. This is a devastating finding, as water vapor is the most significant greenhouse gas due to its alleged “feedback” capacity, accelerating warming well beyond what CO2 is said to be capable of alone. The authors do not understate the significance of this climate modeling failure. “This represents a major gap in our understanding and in climate model fidelity that must be understood and fixed as soon as possible in order to provide reliable hydroclimate projections for arid/semi-arid regions in the coming decades.” Per state-of-the-art climate models, specific humidity (SH) should increase as a consequence of CO2-induced global warming. But 40 years of observations (1980-) show no increasing SH trend over arid/semi-arid regions. Per state-of-the-art climate models, relative humidity (RH) should decline slightly as a consequence of CO2-induced global warming. But 40 years of observations (1980-) show not a slight declining trend, but a declining trend that is “about an order of magnitude more than the models on average.” In other words, the climate models are wrong by a factor of 10.
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 21, 2024 8:33:45 GMT
I always thought that they had trouble modelling water because it can be solid (ice), liquid, and gas at temperatures found on Earth. It's hard enough to model CO2, but H2O is vastly more complex.
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Post by sandypine on Feb 21, 2024 8:37:47 GMT
I always thought that they had trouble modelling water because it can be solid (ice), liquid, and gas at temperatures found on Earth. It's hard enough to model CO2, but H2O is vastly more complex. Do not say the systems are complex, that defeats their simple hypothesis that more CO2 is directly proportional to warming.
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 8:49:27 GMT
I always thought that they had trouble modelling water because it can be solid (ice), liquid, and gas at temperatures found on Earth. It's hard enough to model CO2, but H2O is vastly more complex. Do not say the systems are complex, that defeats their simple hypothesis that more CO2 is directly proportional to warming. I would stay off the climate threads sandy. You know as little about the climate from previous debates between us as you do about history.
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Post by sandypine on Feb 21, 2024 8:50:24 GMT
Do not say the systems are complex, that defeats their simple hypothesis that more CO2 is directly proportional to warming. I would stay off the climate threads sandy. You know as little about the climate from previous debates between us as you do about history. Thanks for your input.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2024 12:22:20 GMT
Do not say the systems are complex, that defeats their simple hypothesis that more CO2 is directly proportional to warming. I would stay off the climate threads sandy. You know as little about the climate from previous debates between us as you do about history. What a disgusting post. After Sandy has patiently engaged with you on 20 pages of the "Nationalists" thread and you have been your usual abusive self.
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 12:33:33 GMT
I would stay off the climate threads sandy. You know as little about the climate from previous debates between us as you do about history. What a disgusting post. After Sandy has patiently engaged with you on 20 pages of the "Nationalists" thread and you have been your usual abusive self. stop bringing your butt hurt from other forums onto this one Barry. you aren't a mod , or forum owner here ,thank fuck , and as ive repeatedly said to you , you dont get to strangle debate on here . ( or your pal wapentake) I won't take lectures on forum decency and etiquette from you , a so called christian who mocked a guy on this very forum regarding his dyslexia. mind your own business.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 21, 2024 13:14:55 GMT
What a disgusting post. After Sandy has patiently engaged with you on 20 pages of the "Nationalists" thread and you have been your usual abusive self. stop bringing your butt hurt from other forums onto this one Barry. you aren't a mod , or forum owner here ,thank fuck , and as ive repeatedly said to you , you dont get to strangle debate on here . ( or your pal wapentake) I won't take lectures on forum decency and etiquette from you , a so called christian who mocked a guy on this very forum regarding his dyslexia. mind your own business.And you yours,you are the one bringing up your butt hurt as you call it from other forums,this is another place if you took your own advice you’d leave it there.
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 13:19:26 GMT
stop bringing your butt hurt from other forums onto this one Barry. you aren't a mod , or forum owner here ,thank fuck , and as ive repeatedly said to you , you dont get to strangle debate on here . ( or your pal wapentake) I won't take lectures on forum decency and etiquette from you , a so called christian who mocked a guy on this very forum regarding his dyslexia. mind your own business.And you yours,you are the one bringing up your butt hurt as you call it from other forums,this is another place if you took your own advice you’d leave it there. At least Barry has confronted me in the thread by addressing me in his initial post ,(using sandy to further his butthurt ) while you hid behind his post as usual with a like , showing the cowardice we have all come to know and love from you over the years. You and your pal strangled a forum to death over numerous years , then handed it over to a man child and blamed him for being the final nail in a coffin you built. You aren't going to do the same on here. Dont piggy back off debates on this forum between members , in arguments that are nothing to do with you , to further your spite from elsewhere. I didnt address you and Barry first , you addressed me , him directly , you indirectly like the coward you are.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 21, 2024 13:22:08 GMT
And you yours,you are the one bringing up your butt hurt as you call it from other forums,this is another place if you took your own advice you’d leave it there. At least Barry has confronted me in the thread by addressing me in his initial post ,(using sandy to further his butthurt ) while you hid behind his post as usual with a like , showing the cowardice we have all come to know and love from you over the years. You and your pal strangled a four to death over numerous years , then handed it over to a man child and blamed him for being the final nail in a coffin you built. You aren't going to do the same on here. Dont piggy back off debates on this forum between members , in arguments that are nothing to do with you , to further your spite from elsewhere. I didnt address you and Barry first , you addressed me , him directly , you indirectly like the coward you are. And you are the person you are who nurses grudges and you do what you always do,have a nice day.
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 13:25:53 GMT
At least Barry has confronted me in the thread by addressing me in his initial post ,(using sandy to further his butthurt ) while you hid behind his post as usual with a like , showing the cowardice we have all come to know and love from you over the years. You and your pal strangled a four to death over numerous years , then handed it over to a man child and blamed him for being the final nail in a coffin you built. You aren't going to do the same on here. Dont piggy back off debates on this forum between members , in arguments that are nothing to do with you , to further your spite from elsewhere. I didnt address you and Barry first , you addressed me , him directly , you indirectly like the coward you are. And you are the person you are who nurses grudges and you do what you always do,have a nice day. I haven't addressed you once on this forum until now , about events elsewhere. On this thread , it's plain to see , your pal jumped in to have a pop at me , unprovoked by me , and you liked his post like the cowardly can't that you are. The two of you mind your own fucking business and stop trying to restrict the parameters of discussion on here as you so badly did elsewhere. You ruined another forum , you won't do it here. If you can't handle old truths , stay the fuck away from me on here. I haven't followed you about this forum liking posts against you out of spite .
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Post by wapentake on Feb 21, 2024 13:27:50 GMT
And you are the person you are who nurses grudges and you do what you always do,have a nice day. I haven't addressed you once on this forum until now , about events elsewhere. On this forum , it's plain to see , your pal jumped in to have a pop at me , unprovoked by me , and you liked his post like the cowardly can't that you are. The two of you mind your own fucking business and stop trying to restrict the parameters of discussion on here as you so badly did elsewhere. You ruined another forum , you won't do it here. If you can't handle old truths , stay the fuck away from me on here. I haven't followed you about this forum liking posts against you out of spite . Likewise
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 13:28:49 GMT
I haven't addressed you once on this forum until now , about events elsewhere. On this forum , it's plain to see , your pal jumped in to have a pop at me , unprovoked by me , and you liked his post like the cowardly can't that you are. The two of you mind your own fucking business and stop trying to restrict the parameters of discussion on here as you so badly did elsewhere. You ruined another forum , you won't do it here. If you can't handle old truths , stay the fuck away from me on here. I haven't followed you about this forum liking posts against you out of spite . Likewise likewise what? Did I like a post against you in this thread. , unprovoked , as some one attacked you? you can't even own your own cowardice can you ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2024 13:51:03 GMT
And you yours,you are the one bringing up your butt hurt as you call it from other forums,this is another place if you took your own advice you’d leave it there. At least Barry has confronted me in the thread by addressing me in his initial post ,(using sandy to further his butthurt ) while you hid behind his post as usual with a like , showing the cowardice we have all come to know and love from you over the years. You and your pal strangled a forum to death over numerous years , then handed it over to a man child and blamed him for being the final nail in a coffin you built. You aren't going to do the same on here. Dont piggy back off debates on this forum between members , in arguments that are nothing to do with you , to further your spite from elsewhere. I didnt address you and Barry first , you addressed me , him directly , you indirectly like the coward you are. Like I said, your usual abusive self, Thomas. You entered this thread to post an ad hom and now are continuing your abuse against others. You can't help yourself. Incidentally, I'm not Barry.
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2024 13:55:02 GMT
At least Barry has confronted me in the thread by addressing me in his initial post ,(using sandy to further his butthurt ) while you hid behind his post as usual with a like , showing the cowardice we have all come to know and love from you over the years. You and your pal strangled a forum to death over numerous years , then handed it over to a man child and blamed him for being the final nail in a coffin you built. You aren't going to do the same on here. Dont piggy back off debates on this forum between members , in arguments that are nothing to do with you , to further your spite from elsewhere. I didnt address you and Barry first , you addressed me , him directly , you indirectly like the coward you are. Like I said, your usual abusive self, Thomas. You entered this thread to post an ad hom and now are continuing your abuse against others. You can't help yourself. Incidentally, I'm not Barry. It's nothing to do with you. You aren't a moderator on here. Everyone can see you and your pal entered the thread to provoke me , on an argument between myself and sandy from elsewhere and other threads on here , including a previous climate argument. On another forum , your pal as moderator, would have closed the thread , deleted the evidence and then ran squealing about how I had cyber bullied him. Thankfully , he can't on here , and the sequence of events , and who provoked who , is clear for all to see. Now bolt.
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