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Post by see2 on Feb 19, 2024 17:19:25 GMT
What is the Human conscience, how does it work? Are the human conscience and the soul the same thing?
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Post by Bentley on Feb 19, 2024 17:25:59 GMT
Conscience or consciousness?
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Post by see2 on Feb 19, 2024 17:36:49 GMT
Conscience or consciousness? I'm thinking in terms of 'you will have that on your conscience'. i.e. a persons moral sense of right and wrong. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 19, 2024 17:38:18 GMT
Conscience or consciousness? I'm thinking in terms of 'you will have that on your conscience'. i.e. a persons moral sense of right and wrong. Ok thanks See2. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 19, 2024 17:42:49 GMT
Take away a spiritual element and I think human psyche is based on fear and greed ( needed to survive and reproduce) so conscience must be an evolved attribute that allowed us to live in social groups .
With a spiritual element I think it’s an attribute that links us to a higher and superior being(s) or force.
Imo
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Post by see2 on Feb 19, 2024 21:08:58 GMT
Take away a spiritual element and I think human psyche is based on fear and greed ( needed to survive and reproduce) so conscience must be an evolved attribute that allowed us to live in social groups . With a spiritual element I think it’s an attribute that links us to a higher and superior being(s) or force. Imo I agree that fear is the big driver and that survival is the name of the game. The puzzle is how does it all work. Fear for instance is a feeling, not a choice. |
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Post by Vanna on Feb 20, 2024 4:21:41 GMT
I think the conscience is formed from the individual's experience as well as the cultural and social context. I would suggest that a lack of empathy causes some to have almost no to no "conscience". Others have well formed moral compasses shaped by social, cultural and personal experience as well as an innate compassion. If you take compassion away (the kind formed from genuine empathy) you have nothing but a wild animal in a suit of clothes, a Harpy in high heels. Individuals need to be extremely careful when they form bonds as those bonds are open to faked sentiment and manipulation. Shakespeare didn't have one his characters say "There are daggers in men's' smiles" for nothing.
The "soul" is not the conscience. The conscience would simply be part of the "soul" as it is a part of the individual when "alive". A criminal would have the soul of a criminal. You can't separate them. It's a moot point whether or not some can be genuinely reformed and thus change the conscience and hence the "soul". (Philosophical arguments, these.)
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 20, 2024 6:50:27 GMT
Conscience or consciousness? I'm thinking in terms of 'you will have that on your conscience'. i.e. a persons moral sense of right and wrong. You could be talking about a well trained dog in knowing what's right or wrong so is it really moral ,spiritual or just training ? |
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Post by Orac on Feb 20, 2024 8:32:01 GMT
I'm thinking in terms of 'you will have that on your conscience'. i.e. a persons moral sense of right and wrong. You could be talking about a well trained dog in knowing what's right or wrong so is it really moral ,spiritual or just training ? You can't measure the difference between well trained manners and someone who acts out of care not to hurt others. You can't measure it, but sometimes it becomes obvious by attempting to see things from other's perspective. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 20, 2024 8:42:59 GMT
The "soul" is an ill-defined thing that only humans have - specifically the soul is the thing that continues after you die. Apes don't have one, for example or any of the lower creatures. Obviously God doesn't want to be bothered with the souls of insects and the like.
It's all utter bollocks obviously. There's certainly nothing in the DNA of humans that's radically different from other living beings.
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Post by Orac on Feb 20, 2024 8:46:39 GMT
I think the conscience is formed from the individual's experience as well as the cultural and social context. I would suggest that a lack of empathy causes some to have almost no to no "conscience". Others have well formed moral compasses shaped by social, cultural and personal experience as well as an innate compassion. If you take compassion away (the kind formed from genuine empathy) you have nothing but a wild animal in a suit of clothes, a Harpy in high heels. Individuals need to be extremely careful when they form bonds as those bonds are open to faked sentiment and manipulation. Shakespeare didn't have one his characters say "There are daggers in men's' smiles" for nothing. The "soul" is not the conscience. The conscience would simply be part of the "soul" as it is a part of the individual when "alive". A criminal would have the soul of a criminal. You can't separate them. It's a moot point whether or not some can be genuinely reformed and thus change the conscience and hence the "soul". (Philosophical arguments, these.) As far as modern psychiatry can tell, there are some people who appear to have no conscience. There also appears to be no remedy for this - therapy, positive reinforcement, example etc produce nothing. My own view is that conscience itself - which is like a dimension of the mind - is not trained. However, as we gain experience, we see more and more of this dimension (we become more conscious of it) |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 20, 2024 10:31:34 GMT
You could be talking about a well trained dog in knowing what's right or wrong so is it really moral ,spiritual or just training ? You can't measure the difference between well trained manners and someone who acts out of care not to hurt others. You can't measure it, but sometimes it becomes obvious by attempting to see things from other's perspective. You might not be able to measure it but its the same thing . Someone who acts out of care has been trained in their upbringing to act in such a way . Their conscience is what they have learned on the way to making that decision . Exactly the same as our canine friends its an extension of right and wrong |
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Post by Orac on Feb 20, 2024 10:36:38 GMT
You can't measure the difference between well trained manners and someone who acts out of care not to hurt others. You can't measure it, but sometimes it becomes obvious by attempting to see things from other's perspective. You might not be able to measure it but its the same thing . Someone who acts out of care has been trained in their upbringing to act in such a way . Their conscience is what they have learned on the way to making that decision . Exactly the same as our canine friends its an extension of right and wrong I disagree. It is not the same thing. A conscience can prompt a person to act against their training and against their best interests socially. |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 20, 2024 10:51:18 GMT
You might not be able to measure it but its the same thing . Someone who acts out of care has been trained in their upbringing to act in such a way . Their conscience is what they have learned on the way to making that decision . Exactly the same as our canine friends its an extension of right and wrong I disagree. It is not the same thing. A conscience can prompt a person to act against their training and against their best interests socially. I think what you are describing is a conflict of training rather than a conscience . |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 20, 2024 11:14:01 GMT
What is the Human conscience, how does it work? Are the human conscience and the soul the same thing? ooh. good question When I was a lay preacher I guess I would have said that knowing right from wrong I would take the knowledge of wrongdoing into the afterlife and thereby know why I'm burning in hell. Except of course I never believed one would burn in hell, merely endure eternal separation from god, sorry but that's how our imam sorry vicar put it Today I don't believe there is a god, or an afterlife, or a soul. I believe that when I die I rot But that does not change the fact I still believe I know what is right, and what is wrong. I believe my assessment of those is not what it was when I was a lay preacher. I believe I carry the actions I knew were wrong on my conscience, but death will fix that, and I sleep the sleep of the average warmongering prime minister, is somewhat less affluent while doing so |
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