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Post by Pacifico on Feb 19, 2024 8:27:09 GMT
Labour politicians out on the streets campaigning to save steel making in Port Talbot. Of course they blame the Tory Government.......however - the successful, Welsh-owned Steel Company of Wales was nationalised in 1967 by Labour, partly sold off to Corus in 1999 by Labour, and then passed on to Tata in 2006 by (checks notes) Labour.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 19, 2024 14:13:28 GMT
I notice that last year when Starmer met reps from the steel workers unions during his visit to Port Talbot, he said...
... "The UK can be a world leader in clean steel and our long-term programme of investment will safeguard jobs and help us lead the pack, not lag behind our competitors".
Note he said 'clean' steel. Which means a future Labour government will not save the coke blast furnaces at Port Talbot and 3000 jobs will go. He didn't say that, but that's what he meant.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 19, 2024 14:29:10 GMT
Labour politicians out on the streets campaigning to save steel making in Port Talbot. Of course they blame the Tory Government.......however - the successful, Welsh-owned Steel Company of Wales was nationalised in 1967 by Labour, partly sold off to Corus in 1999 by Labour, and then passed on to Tata in 2006 by (checks notes) Labour. The trouble with the press is they are ignorant. This little video will give you the full reason why what has happened has happened.
Unlike the MSM, this guy gives numbers. One number you would take very seriously in understanding the motivation is steel production accounts for 7% of man-made CO2. Whether you agree is neither here nor there, it is just this is what forced the decision at the government level.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 19, 2024 15:09:37 GMT
The trouble with the press is they are ignorant. Unlike the MSM, this guy gives numbers. One number you would take very seriously in understanding the motivation is steel production accounts for 7% of man-made CO2. Whether you agree is neither here nor there, it is just this is what forced the decision at the government level. The press aren't nearly as ignorant as some would have you believe. Having watched the vid, Boston Metal looked interesting btw, I'm left with the same thought as I am after watching other similar videos that promote green alternatives... If the Chinese aren't on board, it's all rather pointless. You will of course claim the Chinses are on board, even though evidence suggests otherwise. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 19, 2024 15:29:15 GMT
The trouble with the press is they are ignorant. Unlike the MSM, this guy gives numbers. One number you would take very seriously in understanding the motivation is steel production accounts for 7% of man-made CO2. Whether you agree is neither here nor there, it is just this is what forced the decision at the government level. The press aren't nearly as ignorant as some would have you believe. Having watched the vid, Boston Metal looked interesting btw, I'm left with the same thought as I am after watching other similar videos that promote green alternatives... If the Chinese aren't on board, it's all rather pointless. You will of course claim the Chinses are on board, even though evidence suggests otherwise. My video explains facts the press have never explained. For example, using an arc furnace is not simply to save the CO2 produced by heating it with burning hydrocarbons. The manufacturing process itself gives off a load of additional carbon, whereas this replacement process can reduce it by 99%. Switching to green energy in the past has imposed costs for the sake of saving carbon, but for steel you get more carbon reduction for your bucks as say if you switched a gas boiler to an electric heating system in a home. So its low-hanging fruit for carbon return on investment.
The second thing in that video is the amount of steel China produces. It now stands at about 50% of global production. Indeed I take my hat off to them for being so successful in their industry. Maybe we should learn from them.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 19, 2024 15:35:25 GMT
The press aren't nearly as ignorant as some would have you believe. Having watched the vid, Boston Metal looked interesting btw, I'm left with the same thought as I am after watching other similar videos that promote green alternatives... If the Chinese aren't on board, it's all rather pointless. You will of course claim the Chinses are on board, even though evidence suggests otherwise. My video explains facts the press have never explained. For example, using an arc furnace is not simply to save the CO2 produced by heating it with burning hydrocarbons. The manufacturing process itself gives off a load of additional carbon, whereas this replacement process can reduce it by 99%. Switching to green energy in the past has imposed costs for the sake of saving carbon, but for steel you get more carbon reduction for your bucks as say if you switched a gas boiler to an electric heating system in a home. So its low-hanging fruit for carbon return on investment.
The second thing in that video is the amount of steel China produces. It now stands at about 50% of global production. Indeed I take my hat off to them for being so successful in their industry. Maybe we should learn from them.
Indeed, perhaps we should take a lead from China - link - link |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 19, 2024 16:06:28 GMT
My video explains facts the press have never explained. For example, using an arc furnace is not simply to save the CO2 produced by heating it with burning hydrocarbons. The manufacturing process itself gives off a load of additional carbon, whereas this replacement process can reduce it by 99%. Switching to green energy in the past has imposed costs for the sake of saving carbon, but for steel you get more carbon reduction for your bucks as say if you switched a gas boiler to an electric heating system in a home. So its low-hanging fruit for carbon return on investment.
The second thing in that video is the amount of steel China produces. It now stands at about 50% of global production. Indeed I take my hat off to them for being so successful in their industry. Maybe we should learn from them.
Indeed, perhaps we should take a lead from China - link - linkYou give me the same link again.
This is Greenpiece's projection in 2019
And this is their own projection in March 23.
Do you see what might be going on here? It's the storage/backup problem with intermittent green energy. Perhaps this is why they need more, so they can crank them up on days where there is no wind nor sun.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 19, 2024 16:19:27 GMT
BvL, this is obviously going to come as something of a shock so brace yerself: China is the problem, not the solution. China has pumped out more pollution in eight years than UK has since the start of the Industrial Revolution - link |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 19, 2024 16:27:37 GMT
BvL, this is obviously going to come as something of a shock so brace yerself: China is the problem, not the solution. China has pumped out more pollution in eight years than UK has since the start of the Industrial Revolution - linkThe Telegraph are total wankers towards the Chinese. They always do China bashing, but anyhow it is the way you say things. They could of course do it fairly and compare per capital emissions. The population of Britain in 1804 was 9,367 000. The population of China in 2013 was 1.363 billion or 145 times as many. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 19, 2024 16:29:11 GMT
BvL, this is obviously going to come as something of a shock so brace yerself: China is the problem, not the solution. China has pumped out more pollution in eight years than UK has since the start of the Industrial Revolution - linkThe Telegraph are total wankers towards the Chinese. They always do China bashing, but anyhow it is the way you say things. They could of course do it fairly and compare per capital emissions. The population of Britain in 1804 was 9,367 000. The population of China in 2013 was 1.363 billion or 145 times as many. Ahh right, that's OK then. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 19, 2024 16:39:47 GMT
The Telegraph are total wankers towards the Chinese. They always do China bashing, but anyhow it is the way you say things. They could of course do it fairly and compare per capital emissions. The population of Britain in 1804 was 9,367 000. The population of China in 2013 was 1.363 billion or 145 times as many. Ahh right, that's OK then. Actually I think it is more than OK because China is now on a path which will cause it to exceed the rate of reduction in CO2 relative to its own international promise, which was to peak in 2030 and be zero by 2060. The bastards at the Telegraph will skilfully omit such inconvenient facts in putting forward their political narrative. They are the same shits that fucked up the Tory Party and are now causing Labour to take control. They should stop lying. When you give stats you should be fair about it, not construe it in a misleading way so it only fools complete idiots. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 19, 2024 16:54:46 GMT
By the way, one other important consideration we all need to take into account with intermittent green energy. Nuclear is the other option to give us a continuous supply, but what you absolutely can not do with nuclear is to shut it down unless it is an emergency. The main problem with nuclear is it is made of concrete and concrete eventually cracks up. To crack concrete up, what you do is induce thermal stresses in it which cause dislocations (cracks) which start off microscopic and grow as you stress it out. This means every time you shut it down you shorten its life, and that is seriously costly. Coal is far more forgiving. So for nuclear, you are paying more per kWh than wind or solar, so you only really want to back up when the energy is needed. If China gets more green energy it will need more backup, but as you can see the percent of time these are in operation reduces with time. They want to build a global supergrid which will enable it to reduce. The wind always blows somewhere and the sun always shines somewhere. The further you can move the power the better you are.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 19, 2024 18:13:23 GMT
Labour politicians out on the streets campaigning to save steel making in Port Talbot. Of course they blame the Tory Government.......however - the successful, Welsh-owned Steel Company of Wales was nationalised in 1967 by Labour, partly sold off to Corus in 1999 by Labour, and then passed on to Tata in 2006 by (checks notes) Labour. The trouble with the press is they are ignorant. This little video will give you the full reason why what has happened has happened.
Unlike the MSM, this guy gives numbers. One number you would take very seriously in understanding the motivation is steel production accounts for 7% of man-made CO2. Whether you agree is neither here nor there, it is just this is what forced the decision at the government level.
Shifting production (and thus CO2) from the UK to China is not going to save the planet... |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 19, 2024 18:34:17 GMT
The trouble with the press is they are ignorant. This little video will give you the full reason why what has happened has happened.
Unlike the MSM, this guy gives numbers. One number you would take very seriously in understanding the motivation is steel production accounts for 7% of man-made CO2. Whether you agree is neither here nor there, it is just this is what forced the decision at the government level.
Shifting production (and thus CO2) from the UK to China is not going to save the planet... No but the problem is these agreements they signed on our behalf at COP. I'm just trying to explain the rationale here, given that has already happened. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 19, 2024 18:44:25 GMT
Shifting production (and thus CO2) from the UK to China is not going to save the planet... No but the problem is these agreements they signed on our behalf at COP. I'm just trying to explain the rationale here, given that has already happened. No other developed country has shut down virgin steel making - and they were all at COP. |
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