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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 19:01:25 GMT
Israel and many who support the actions of Israel are hiding behind "Antisemitism" and using asntisemitism as a shield to cover themselves from criticism. To criticise the actions of the government of Israel and the IDF for the deaths of 30,000 civilians in Gaza IS NOT ANTI SEMITIC. The opening post in this thread inferred that marchers protesting FOR a two state solution, or in favour of the Palestinian people was antisemitic, when in reality it is not. If I criticise the Israeli government or the actions of the IDF, am I then antisemitic ? Where are you getting these civilian deaths figures from? Whatever your source is, does it say how many Hamas fighters have been killed? If the answer is zero, it will have come from the Palestinian Health Ministry, (Hamas run) which counts all Hamas deaths as civilians. Hamas are not a proscribed terrorist organisation for nothing. |
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 18, 2024 19:24:45 GMT
Israel and many who support the actions of Israel are hiding behind "Antisemitism" and using asntisemitism as a shield to cover themselves from criticism. To criticise the actions of the government of Israel and the IDF for the deaths of 30,000 civilians in Gaza IS NOT ANTI SEMITIC. The opening post in this thread inferred that marchers protesting FOR a two state solution, or in favour of the Palestinian people was antisemitic, when in reality it is not. If I criticise the Israeli government or the actions of the IDF, am I then antisemitic ? Where are you getting these civilian deaths figures from? Whatever your source is, does it say how many Hamas fighters have been killed? If the answer is zero, it will have come from the Palestinian Health Ministry, (Hamas run) which counts all Hamas deaths as civilians. Hamas are not a proscribed terrorist organisation for nothing. You are completely deluded, no matter which TV News we watch, BBC, SKY, ITN or whatever, we have all seen and heard the many harrowing stories of civilians killed, many many children, thousands of children, innocent families made homeless, faimilies with no mother or father, or both, parents who have lost children. We have all seen the utter devastation, entire districts flattened and turned into rubble, schools destroyed, entire townships and suburbs smashed to pieces, hundreds of dead bodies. The Israelis have killed thousands of civilans, bombing has very clearly been indiscriminate The terrorists of Hamas who brutally murdered 1 thosand Israelis are no different, no worse than the Israeli Defence Force, they are cowards. |
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 18, 2024 19:31:35 GMT
Oh yes you can separate Israel with Jewish people, first of all Israel is a state, a nation, a country, and Jewish people are a race and a particular faith or religion. If Israel bombed a hospital or a refugee camp or murdered innocents, then to criticise Israel, its government or its defence force IS NOT antisemitic, it is to criticise the actions of a state ( a state which happens to be majority Jewish ). I personally am not antisemitic, I am not anti Jewish and I would stand up against anyone who is racist towards Jews, but I will criticise Israel, the government of Israel and the IDF. The left are fond of saying that criticising Israel is not anti-Semitic. However, criticising Israel for defending itself against anti-Semitism is. More meaningless nonsense Absolutely Israel DOES have the right to defend itself, and yes I wholeheartedly agree 100% that Israel has every right to pursue those that were involved in the October 7th terror attack, but NO, absolutely NO they have no right to do what they have done to Gaza and the people who live there, no right what so ever, what they have done is a War Crime and a crime against humanity. The Israeli Defence Force are cowards, terrorists no better than Hamas, murderers and sub human, and they have no place as allies of ours, but more suited to the armed forces of Syria, North Korea or Russia. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 19:34:07 GMT
Where are you getting these civilian deaths figures from? Whatever your source is, does it say how many Hamas fighters have been killed? If the answer is zero, it will have come from the Palestinian Health Ministry, (Hamas run) which counts all Hamas deaths as civilians. Hamas are not a proscribed terrorist organisation for nothing. You are completely deluded, no matter which TV News we watch, BBC, SKY, ITN or whatever, we have all seen and heard the many harrowing stories of civilians killed, many many children, thousands of children, innocent families made homeless, faimilies with no mother or father, or both, parents who have lost children. We have all seen the utter devastation, entire districts flattened and turned into rubble, schools destroyed, entire townships and suburbs smashed to pieces, hundreds of dead bodies. The Israelis have killed thousands of civilans, bombing has very clearly been indiscriminate The terrorists of Hamas who brutally murdered 1 thosand Israelis are no different, no worse than the Israeli Defence Force, they are cowards. Not sure why you think I am deluded for asking questions. My question was: Whatever your source is, does it say how many Hamas fighters have been killed?
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Post by Bentley on Feb 18, 2024 19:35:23 GMT
The left are fond of saying that criticising Israel is not anti-Semitic. However, criticising Israel for defending itself against anti-Semitism is. More meaningless nonsense Absolutely Israel DOES have the right to defend itself, and yes I wholeheartedly agree 100% that Israel has every right to pursue those that were involved in the October 7th terror attack, but NO, absolutely NO they have no right to do what they have done to Gaza and the people who live there, no right what so ever, what they have done is a War Crime and a crime against humanity. The Israeli Defence Force are cowards, terrorists no better than Hamas, murderers and sub human, and they have no place as allies of ours, but more suited to the armed forces of Syria, North Korea or Russia. So when Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields you expect the Israeli forces to pack up and go home ? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 19:37:29 GMT
The left are fond of saying that criticising Israel is not anti-Semitic. However, criticising Israel for defending itself against anti-Semitism is. More meaningless nonsense Absolutely Israel DOES have the right to defend itself, and yes I wholeheartedly agree 100% that Israel has every right to pursue those that were involved in the October 7th terror attack, but NO, absolutely NO they have no right to do what they have done to Gaza and the people who live there, no right what so ever, what they have done is a War Crime and a crime against humanity. The Israeli Defence Force are cowards, terrorists no better than Hamas, murderers and sub human, and they have no place as allies of ours, but more suited to the armed forces of Syria, North Korea or Russia. Maybe if Hamas surrender both themselves and the hostages some civilian lives might be saved. Do you think Hamas might do that to save civilians from dying in the crossfire in Gaza? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 18, 2024 19:47:33 GMT
More meaningless nonsense Absolutely Israel DOES have the right to defend itself, and yes I wholeheartedly agree 100% that Israel has every right to pursue those that were involved in the October 7th terror attack, but NO, absolutely NO they have no right to do what they have done to Gaza and the people who live there... And who was involved in the October 7th terror attack, do you think? Yes, it was Palestinians. Of course, the West call them “Hamas” and when they get killed in action, Hamas calls them Palestinian "civilians". And who voted Hamas into power? Oh yes, the very same Palestinian civilians. So just as you can't separate Israel from the Jews, you also can't separate the civilian population from Hamas. They are one and the same. Except when it suits your agenda, of course. The Israeli Defence Force are cowards, terrorists no better than Hamas, murderers and sub humanAnd there you have it: The very language of the anti-Semite. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 18, 2024 22:08:30 GMT
It's even worse than that - when someone does turn up with a placard condemning Hamas they are attacked by the mob.. There Jews who.protest against Hamas.in.England not known any of them. To be Attacked. The loudish voices against them. Is Some orthodox Jews who see the state of Israel has a Zionist State Are the Anti -semitic Every time people turn up to protest against Hamas they are attacked by the pro-hamas protestors on these marches.. It is a festival of antisemitism.. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 18, 2024 23:41:00 GMT
You who say all Ant-semitic are left leftys
Would you say this man Anti-Semitic
Jewish groups condemn appearance of controversial televangelist john Hagee at March for Israel
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 19, 2024 7:52:42 GMT
he sounds a bit bonkers..  “Israel is not merely a state,” Mr Hagee said in his remarks on Tuesday.
“Israel is the apple of God’s eye, Israel is the shining city on the hill,” he added. “God says of Israel: Israel is my first-born son. Jerusalem is the city of God. Jerusalem is the shoreline of eternity. Jerusalem is the eternal capital of Israel today and forever.” |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 19, 2024 9:52:03 GMT
he sounds a bit bonkers.. “Israel is not merely a state,” Mr Hagee said in his remarks on Tuesday.
“Israel is the apple of God’s eye, Israel is the shining city on the hill,” he added. “God says of Israel: Israel is my first-born son. Jerusalem is the city of God. Jerusalem is the shoreline of eternity. Jerusalem is the eternal capital of Israel today and forever.”As I said, without Israel being Jewish is meaningless . Jewish identity is Israel. That’s why they will do anything to keep it. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 19, 2024 14:36:05 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 19, 2024 15:13:31 GMT
You are completely deluded, no matter which TV News we watch, BBC, SKY, ITN or whatever, we have all seen and heard the many harrowing stories of civilians killed, many many children, thousands of children, innocent families made homeless, faimilies with no mother or father, or both, parents who have lost children. We have all seen the utter devastation, entire districts flattened and turned into rubble, schools destroyed, entire townships and suburbs smashed to pieces, hundreds of dead bodies. The Israelis have killed thousands of civilans, bombing has very clearly been indiscriminate The terrorists of Hamas who brutally murdered 1 thosand Israelis are no different, no worse than the Israeli Defence Force, they are cowards. And to think, none of it would have happened if Hamas had not attacked Israel. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 19, 2024 15:24:04 GMT
You are completely deluded, no matter which TV News we watch, BBC, SKY, ITN or whatever, we have all seen and heard the many harrowing stories of civilians killed, many many children, thousands of children, innocent families made homeless, faimilies with no mother or father, or both, parents who have lost children. We have all seen the utter devastation, entire districts flattened and turned into rubble, schools destroyed, entire townships and suburbs smashed to pieces, hundreds of dead bodies. The Israelis have killed thousands of civilans, bombing has very clearly been indiscriminate The terrorists of Hamas who brutally murdered 1 thosand Israelis are no different, no worse than the Israeli Defence Force, they are cowards. And to think, none of it would have happened if Hamas had not attacked Israel. Or if Israel hadn't been plonked on Palestine by countries that colonised the Middle East and arbitrarily drew the boundaries around lands in the region... |
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Post by ginnyg2 on Feb 19, 2024 15:28:01 GMT
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