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Post by Bentley on Feb 29, 2024 12:51:24 GMT
You are an ex remainer because you can’t remain in an EU that the UK has left . As someone who voted Remain I am classified as a remainer. You can’t be remainer . There is nothing for you to remain in. Thsrs why you are an ex remainer. I’ll tell you that again if you want . |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 15:34:30 GMT
No point in bothering. The entire premise of this thread is basically another Brexit bashing sulk based on false info. Meanwhile life goes on. Yes life does indeed go on. But most of us can see that ourselves and most people we know are finding life ever more of a struggle. At least those of us below pension age anyway. We can all feel ourselves and each other getting poorer, whatever damned lies and statistics get spouted by the powers that be. When we can all see ourselves getting poorer, when politicians or internet clowns start throwing statistics at us claiming we are all getting better off, we just see them as liars and have even more contempt for the lying bastards than we already had. Statistics telling a completely different story to the reality on the ground we can see all around us, just look like more lies. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 29, 2024 15:45:50 GMT
Much of the western manufacturing base was exported to the East from the late 70s iirc ( possibly later).
When we wonder why we are all getting poorer and poorer then maybe we should look at the cheap clothes, furniture, white goods , electronics etc etc that we don’t and now can’t make then consider if that might be a big part of the problem.
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Post by see2 on Feb 29, 2024 15:49:32 GMT
As someone who voted Remain I am classified as a remainer. You can’t be remainer . There is nothing for you to remain in. Thsrs why you are an ex remainer. I’ll tell you that again if you want . You have have failed to understand the difference between a claim made in the past tense and one made in the present tense. My point is made in the past tense. You can repeat your confusion as many times as you like. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 29, 2024 15:54:39 GMT
You can’t be remainer . There is nothing for you to remain in. Thsrs why you are an ex remainer. I’ll tell you that again if you want . You have have failed to understand the difference between a claim made in the past tense and one made in the present tense. My point is made in the past tense. You can repeat your confusion as many times as you like. You have failed to understand why you are an ex remainer. You can deny it as many times as you like. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 29, 2024 16:24:42 GMT
Yes life does indeed go on. But most of us can see that ourselves and most people we know are finding life ever more of a struggle. At least those of us below pension age anyway. We can all feel ourselves and each other getting poorer, whatever damned lies and statistics get spouted by the powers that be. When we can all see ourselves getting poorer, when politicians or internet clowns start throwing statistics at us claiming we are all getting better off, we just see them as liars and have even more contempt for the lying bastards than we already had. Statistics telling a completely different story to the reality on the ground we can see all around us, just look like more lies. That's not because of Brexit. There's no tariffs, no quotas. We have an FTA with the EU and more FTAs with other countries. What is driving poverty is the legacy of Covid debts, high national debt meaning more tax is required to service the debt, the necessary sanctions on Russian fuel due to the war in Ukraine, and the shortage of food produced by Ukraine because of the war.
And no matter how you whinge and whine, putting us back into an economic Darwinist political Customs Union wouldn't solve ANYTHING.
Has it not occurred to you, that we're actually selling more to the EU than we did when we were members?
Has it not occurred to you that the real problems aren't being addressed by any of the parties?
We need to cut tax on the poor whilst raising it on the rich.
We need to rebuild our industries and build new factories.
Nuclear fusion is just around the corner, we need to start designing fusion power stations.
And with fusion power stations comes the possibility of having enough power to carbon capture enough CO2 to synthesise hydrocarbons to power conventional cars.
We can ditch the absurd push to force everyone to have electric vehicles.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 19:07:38 GMT
Yes life does indeed go on. But most of us can see that ourselves and most people we know are finding life ever more of a struggle. At least those of us below pension age anyway. We can all feel ourselves and each other getting poorer, whatever damned lies and statistics get spouted by the powers that be. When we can all see ourselves getting poorer, when politicians or internet clowns start throwing statistics at us claiming we are all getting better off, we just see them as liars and have even more contempt for the lying bastards than we already had. Statistics telling a completely different story to the reality on the ground we can see all around us, just look like more lies. That's not because of Brexit. There's no tariffs, no quotas. We have an FTA with the EU and more FTAs with other countries. What is driving poverty is the legacy of Covid debts, high national debt meaning more tax is required to service the debt, the necessary sanctions on Russian fuel due to the war in Ukraine, and the shortage of food produced by Ukraine because of the war.
And no matter how you whinge and whine, putting us back into an economic Darwinist political Customs Union wouldn't solve ANYTHING.
Has it not occurred to you, that we're actually selling more to the EU than we did when we were members?
Has it not occurred to you that the real problems aren't being addressed by any of the parties?
We need to cut tax on the poor whilst raising it on the rich.
We need to rebuild our industries and build new factories.
Nuclear fusion is just around the corner, we need to start designing fusion power stations.
And with fusion power stations comes the possibility of having enough power to carbon capture enough CO2 to synthesise hydrocarbons to power conventional cars.
We can ditch the absurd push to force everyone to have electric vehicles.
I never even mentioned Brexit, which is going fantastically well obviously. Guffaw. Everything else I mentioned, regardless of Brexit, is more than enough to be ashamed of our country over. No need to throw that one into the mix as well, with the welter of dodgy statistics being thrown around willy nilly. I personally avoided the issue until you dragged it up in response to me not mentioning it, because I sought not to press your obsession buttons. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 29, 2024 19:19:04 GMT
Brexit has gone fantastically well.
Remoaners predicted instant recession, half a million jobs gone, doom and gloom and everyone in poverty.
Whereas what actually happened was exports went up.
And you didn't address the other points I mentioned or give any reason for us to consider rejoining the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 19:19:25 GMT
You can’t be remainer . There is nothing for you to remain in. Thsrs why you are an ex remainer. I’ll tell you that again if you want . You have have failed to understand the difference between a claim made in the past tense and one made in the present tense. My point is made in the past tense. You can repeat your confusion as many times as you like. To be fair you did say "I am classified as a Remainer". not "I was classified as a Remainer." So you were using the term in the present tense. Not that it matters. People can still be called Remainers if that is how they voted and still believe they were right to do so. It is a term that effectively states how they voted and what they are consequently likely to think now. Everyone understands that a Remainer is someone who voted Remain even if there is now nothing to remain in. Remainers who have not changed their minds will generally either want to rejoin at some point or seek a much closer alignment with the EU. Leavers who have also not changed their minds will want none of that. So the terms "Remainer" and "Leaver" are still useful terms because they express where someone is likely to be coming from, a bit like "left wing" or "right wing", or "liberal" or "conservative". |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 19:21:20 GMT
Brexit has gone fantastically well. I like it in your universe. It sounds better than the one most of us are struggling in. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 29, 2024 19:29:08 GMT
People are struggling because of high taxes (because of the impact of the Covid measures on the national debt). High fuel prices have pushed up the cost of logistics. A shortage of food from Ukraine has pushed up the price of grains and vegetable oils and caused higher food prices (supply and demand). There are no tariffs on imports from the EU. There are no tariffs on exports to the EU. The real problems are not being addressed by you. But consider this: www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-04045-8The Yanks have cracked nuclear fusion. What they have achieved, we can also achieve. With fusion, we can transform our economy. Electricity will be cheap and plentiful. Carbon capture will be a doddle. Fuel synthesis processes have already been worked out. Fuel prices will go through the floor. The technology which is around the corner is far greater than anything we've seen before and will transform everyone's lives for the better. A few years from now, you'll forget what the fuss was about leaving the EU and be enjoying a warm home, cheap food, cheap travel. Read about fusion. It's the future. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 19:34:58 GMT
Brexit has gone fantastically well. Remoaners predicted instant recession, half a million jobs gone, doom and gloom and everyone in poverty. Whereas what actually happened was exports went up. And you didn't address the other points I mentioned or give any reason for us to consider rejoining the EU. And you have ignored the fact that I did not come to this thread to discuss Brexit, as stated already. You brought it up in response to me not mentioning it, and now want to talk endlessly about it when there are numerous other threads for such bore fests. This thread is about whether we feel ashamed of our country. I gave multiple reasons why I feel ashamed of my country, none of the reasons mentioned being Brexit. But your response to me ignored all that and instead you started wittering on about something I never said, least not in this thread. I am not in this thread to discuss Brexit, which is why I am not addressing points you made about it in response to me not even bringing it up, nor am I going to start giving reasons for rejoining when I never even put forward not rejoining as a reason to be ashamed. Are you mistaking me for someone else or is it normal procedure for you to ignore what people tell you and instead argue against something they never said? And ask them to justify things they never argued for? Anything along such lines I may or may not have argued for in other threads should be responded to in those other threads. Not here. So I repeat, I AM NOT IN THIS THREAD TO DISCUSS THE PROS AND CONS OF BREXIT!!!I gave multiple reasons as to why I feel ashamed of my country. None of the reasons I gave included Brexit. So switch your obsession button off mate, for fuck sake! |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 29, 2024 19:56:35 GMT
I don't feel ashamed of my country.
Our politicians are another matter.
We are now withholding aid from starving people.
I'm ashamed of our government for doing that.
But to be ashamed of our country, I'd have to be ashamed of the man on the street.
I'd have to be ashamed of everyone, including you.
And I'm not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 20:39:26 GMT
I don't feel ashamed of my country. Our politicians are another matter. We are now withholding aid from starving people. I'm ashamed of our government for doing that. But to be ashamed of our country, I'd have to be ashamed of the man on the street. I'd have to be ashamed of everyone, including you. And I'm not. Actually, I have a mea culpa confession to make. Most of my recent exchanges with you here were made on the assumption that I was posting in the "Are you ashamed of your country" thread. When in fact it is a thread about the UK being in recession. Apologies to all for any confusion and particularly to Vinny. I can see the relevance of Brexit to this thread and might well have mentioned it myself in an earlier post, I don't know. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 1, 2024 16:04:56 GMT
You have have failed to understand the difference between a claim made in the past tense and one made in the present tense. My point is made in the past tense. You can repeat your confusion as many times as you like. You have failed to understand why you are an ex remainer. You can deny it as many times as you like. I have explained why I can still be referred to as a remainer, so you can whinge as much as you like, but my point is valid. BYE. |
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