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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2024 14:12:33 GMT
It does not get away from the fact that France is attempting to strike a fair balance, unlike in this country where no attempt has been made to modernise our constitution. We have a ridiculous situation where we are supposedly a secular state, yet the head of state swears an Oath to defend only one particular Christian faith ( the Church of England ). The banning of the Full Face / Full Body Islamic covering was done so on non-religious grounds, I can understand the thinking behind it, but am not sure as to whether I agree with it. One thing is 100% certain, it was not implemented due to any anti Islamic sentiment. We are not supposed to be a secular state, WF. We are supposedly a Christian country based on a Christian monarchy.
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Post by thomas on Feb 17, 2024 14:18:41 GMT
What recession across Eu states And you do know that it was actions by the BOE that stopped us from going into recession earlier. With interest hikes to fight inflation. .even Maggie used higher interest rates to fight inflation . And that was before it was in the hands of the Bank of England. Thankfully Gordon Brown ended that government induced 'boom and bust' nonsense by giving the BoE control over interest rates. It was the only 'boom and bust' that Brown ever vowed not to return to. It was the only 'boom and bust' that he ever claimed to have/had any control over. I haven't laughed so hard on this forum as I have just now reading this utter total horse manure. Brown didnt get rid of boom and bust , he simply got rid of boom , and became known as the father of austerity.........
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 17, 2024 14:25:42 GMT
How can we be a Christian country when the majority of citizens are not Christians ?
The largest group in our society today are Non-believers, and their numbers are growing, with little more than one third of Christians been Anglicans, how can it be justified that our head of state is representative of The People if he officialy defends only the Church of England ( 12% of the population ).
Even the King himself believes it to be silly, he wants the wording of the Coronation ceremony to be altered to replace "Defender Of The Faith" with "Defender Of The Faiths".
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 17, 2024 14:30:30 GMT
Getting back to "Rishi's Recession"
I wonder how the poster [ thomas ] arrives at this conclusion >> "I haven't laughed so hard on this forum as I have just now reading this utter total horse manure"
"Brown didnt get rid of boom and bust , he simply got rid of boom , and became known as the father of austerity"
Gordon Brown did not implement any austerity measures, so how come you believe he was the "father of austerity" ?
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 17, 2024 15:22:37 GMT
Getting back to "Rishi's Recession" I wonder how the poster [ thomas ] arrives at this conclusion >> "I haven't laughed so hard on this forum as I have just now reading this utter total horse manure" "Brown didnt get rid of boom and bust , he simply got rid of boom , and became known as the father of austerity" Gordon Brown did not implement any austerity measures, so how come you believe he was the "father of austerity" ? His Government was proposing cuts in public spending that would be "deeper and tougher" than Margaret Thatcher's in the 1980s. Of course he didn't get the chance to implement those cuts as he was booted out of office by the electorate.
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Post by thomas on Feb 17, 2024 15:24:26 GMT
How can we be a Christian country when the majority of citizens are not Christians ? The largest group in our society today are Non-believers, and their numbers are growing, with little more than one third of Christians been Anglicans, how can it be justified that our head of state is representative of The People if he officialy defends only the Church of England ( 12% of the population ). Even the King himself believes it to be silly, he wants the wording of the Coronation ceremony to be altered to replace "Defender Of The Faith" with "Defender Of The Faiths". I think black is white is referring to the fact England isnt supposed to be a secular state , with its 26 Church of England bishops sitting in the lords. No other country in Europe I believe , and worldwide only Iran , has clerics sitting in one of its legislatures.
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Post by thomas on Feb 17, 2024 15:35:31 GMT
Gordon Brown did not implement any austerity measures, so how come you believe he was the "father of austerity" ? The title of brown being the father of austerity ws bestowed due to his government leaving Camerons incoming coalition government the note about no money being left , later passed off as a bad joke (no one was laughing) and leaving the coalition to deal with his parties disastrous legacy with austerity measures. As pacifico points out , browns then chancellor famously said if they won power , they would have to cut further and deeper than Margaret thatcher did. Ed balls later said the same thing a few years down the line that what darling has said.... Ed Balls: ‘Labour will keep all these cuts’ ‘Ed Balls, the shadow chancellor, has moved to challenge accusations that Labour is not credible on the economy by telling the public sector unions that he endorses George Osborne’s public sector pay freeze until the end of the parliament, and that he accepts every spending cut being imposed by the Conservatives.’ www.counterfire.org/article/ed-balls-labour-will-keep-all-these-cuts/ In their new book Fleeced! Matthew Elliott, CEO of the TaxPayers’ Alliance and David Craig, author and management consultant, expose the financial, fiscal and political crisis resulting from a decade spent under the stewardship of Gordon Brown. The book is a devastating indictment of Gordon Brown’s time as Chancellor and Prime Minister. The authors bring together for the first time figures of Government spending before and during the recession, and Government losses since the recession began and argue that the cost of Gordon Brown’s mishandling of the economy has hit an eye-watering £3 trillion www.taxpayersalliance.com/new_book_reveals_the_total_cost_of_gordon_brown_s_mishandling_of_the_economy_as_3_trillion_or_3_000_000_000_000_znstusu_grifxvt6xfudhfqwuqo Phil Taylor: Labour’s Austerity 1) How Brown’s Government planned £94 billion of cuts These left-wing voices refuse to acknowledge that the Labour Party, under Gordon Brown and chancellor Alistair Darling, had already put in place a comprehensive austerity regime almost as tough as that carried through by the coalition. This piece lays out the details of that regime. Labour has done a very good job of whitewashing its own record, and I have to say that the Conservatives have consistently failed to nail Labour on its own policies. For ten years, we have heard about austerity being a uniquely Tory vice, and not the consensus response to the 2008 financial crisis that it was at the time.
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Post by thomas on Feb 17, 2024 15:38:39 GMT
Getting back to "Rishi's Recession" I wonder how the poster [ thomas ] arrives at this conclusion >> "I haven't laughed so hard on this forum as I have just now reading this utter total horse manure" "Brown didnt get rid of boom and bust , he simply got rid of boom , and became known as the father of austerity" Gordon Brown did not implement any austerity measures, so how come you believe he was the "father of austerity" ? His Government was proposing cuts in public spending that would be "deeper and tougher" than Margaret Thatcher's in the 1980s. Of course he didn't get the chance to implement those cuts as he was booted out of office by the electorate. fully agree. Yet more selective amnesia from our resident labour supporters on their last diabolical record in government..... Alistair Darling: we will cut deeper than Margaret Thatcher Thinktank warns of 'two parliaments of pain' with spending slashed by 25% to repair black hole in finances Alistair Darling admitted tonight that Labour's planned cuts in public spending will be "deeper and tougher" than Margaret Thatcher's in the 1980s, as the country's leading experts on tax and spending warned that Britain faces "two parliaments of pain" to repair the black hole in the state's finances www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 17, 2024 16:10:50 GMT
We need to be more honest in political debate
On any chart of the historical UK Budget, recessions clearly stand out due to the extra borrowing ( Budget Deficit ), as happens at a time of recession.
The sharp rise in borrowing can clearly be seen in the 1974 recession, caused in large part by the then World Oil Crisis.
In the 1980 recession, Margaret Thatcher borrowed more and our Budget Deficit rose
The recession of the early 1990s was deeper and more profound, the John Major government borrowed and our budget deficit rose sharply.
By far the worst recession in modern history was the one of 2008 / 2009, and if you recall many wondered if it would turn into another Great Depression. Borrowing once again rose to support the economy, just as it did in dozens of countries across the world.
To say that the situation with UK finances and the Budget Deficit in 2010 was caused by Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling is no different to me declaring that the EVEN LARGER BORROWING in the aftermath of the Covid pandemic was caused by Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak.
The Budget Deficit of 2010 was as a direct result of circumstances beyond the control of the then government
The Budget Deficit of 2020 was also as a result of circumstances beyond the control of Boris Johnson and Sunak
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Post by thomas on Feb 17, 2024 16:14:54 GMT
We need to be more honest in political debate is that codeword for stop spouting facts about labour , and listen to our lies and historical whitewashing about labours inglorious time in power ? Practice what you preach .
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 18, 2024 4:08:58 GMT
We need to be more honest in political debate On any chart of the historical UK Budget, recessions clearly stand out due to the extra borrowing ( Budget Deficit ), as happens at a time of recession. The sharp rise in borrowing can clearly be seen in the 1974 recession, caused in large part by the then World Oil Crisis. In the 1980 recession, Margaret Thatcher borrowed more and our Budget Deficit rose The recession of the early 1990s was deeper and more profound, the John Major government borrowed and our budget deficit rose sharply. By far the worst recession in modern history was the one of 2008 / 2009, and if you recall many wondered if it would turn into another Great Depression. Borrowing once again rose to support the economy, just as it did in dozens of countries across the world. To say that the situation with UK finances and the Budget Deficit in 2010 was caused by Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling is no different to me declaring that the EVEN LARGER BORROWING in the aftermath of the Covid pandemic was caused by Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak. The Budget Deficit of 2010 was as a direct result of circumstances beyond the control of the then government The Budget Deficit of 2020 was also as a result of circumstances beyond the control of Boris Johnson and Sunak I think running the economy of this country is similar to the way it is for running a business. If you step into any market with a product and you do it right but nothing about what you do is particularly skilful but makes reasonable sense, then you will just go bust. What you have to realise is to make your profit margins decent in a competitive market requires one to look at every tiniest aspect of the business and optimise each for value for money and each fix you do will give you a piddling return, but if you work day in and day out doing thousands of small improvements, each giving you tiny percentage more money, the overall effect is good and then at some point it becomes masterful and you make it above your competition. We can argue all we like about the big issues, but I think the secret really is you have to improve everything and as fast as you can. I look at China and realise every tiniest thing in the operation they have is intelligently considered to work the best it can. There just isn't one thing you can put your finger on as a reason for their huge rise in GDP.
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Post by Equivocal on Feb 18, 2024 7:33:48 GMT
across the world. To say that the situation with UK finances and the Budget Deficit in 2010 was caused by Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling is no different to me declaring that the EVEN LARGER BORROWING in the aftermath of the Covid pandemic was caused by Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak. The Budget Deficit of 2010 was as a direct result of circumstances beyond the control of the then government The Budget Deficit of 2020 was also as a result of circumstances beyond the control of Boris Johnson and Sunak The subject has been debated several times on this board and its predecessor. Without the detail, perhaps a couple of links regarding and a quote from a former head of the FSA.
Quote from 2018 lecture: Ministers and MPs do not complain that any regulatory intervention will damage the entrepreneurial animal spirits of wealth – creators in the Square Mile, as they did in my day. (my emphasis)
Perhaps there is a case for some modification of your penultimate conclusion.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 18, 2024 8:20:04 GMT
It does not get away from the fact that France is attempting to strike a fair balance, unlike in this country where no attempt has been made to modernise our constitution. We have a ridiculous situation where we are supposedly a secular state, yet the head of state swears an Oath to defend only one particular Christian faith ( the Church of England ). The banning of the Full Face / Full Body Islamic covering was done so on non-religious grounds, I can understand the thinking behind it, but am not sure as to whether I agree with it. One thing is 100% certain, it was not implemented due to any anti Islamic sentiment. We are not supposed to be a secular state, WF. We are supposedly a Christian country based on a Christian monarchy. What with Believe in Christianity amongst White British at all time low . Are you having a laugh. You only got to look at some people views on here where Christian vaules stand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 9:48:01 GMT
Look at the constitution of the country. The Monarchy installed by the clergy. The clergy in the HoL. The prayers in Parliament www.parliament.uk/about/how/business/prayers/Which is all very amusing with a Hindu Prime Minister.
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