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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 16, 2022 19:28:04 GMT
Only if they have unduly delayed their journey. Haven't we already had this conversation, or was that someone else? Wasn't with me no, I think they just move the goal posts, I don't think there is a clear set of rules, it's hazy, and it needs to be clearly clarified. In that case my apologies, must be someone else. When you say that they are coming "from France", that's almost uniformly untrue, they are coming "via France". And almost certainly "via" other countries too. There is no obligation for them to claim asylum in the first safe country. You wouldn't want them to either, or they would all be in Greece, Italy and Spain. Only a small portion of those try to get to the UK. Of course, it's going to take a considerable time to get across Europe. The law does not limit the amount of time that they have to do this, but rather specifies that they must not "unreasonably delay" their journey. This basically means that they can't set up a life in France and then change their minds to travel to the UK instead. Hope that helps! |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 16, 2022 20:10:41 GMT
Wasn't with me no, I think they just move the goal posts, I don't think there is a clear set of rules, it's hazy, and it needs to be clearly clarified. In that case my apologies, must be someone else. When you say that they are coming "from France", that's almost uniformly untrue, they are coming "via France". And almost certainly "via" other countries too. There is no obligation for them to claim asylum in the first safe country. You wouldn't want them to either, or they would all be in Greece, Italy and Spain. Only a small portion of those try to get to the UK. Of course, it's going to take a considerable time to get across Europe. The law does not limit the amount of time that they have to do this, but rather specifies that they must not "unreasonably delay" their journey. This basically means that they can't set up a life in France and then change their minds to travel to the UK instead. Hope that helps! Fair comment
But we absolutely know that among these migrants there are Albanians, Albania is not classified as a war torn country or one that is dangerous, so therefore there is no 'first' safe country, because they are already live in a safe country Albania.
It's like me or you getting in a dinghy and crossing to France and claiming asylum, on what grounds could we do that coming from the UK, we aren't fearful for our lives, we aren't in any danger of persecution if we return, these Albanians are coming here with no Identification and saying they are from other volatile countries, that's why I say if they have no form of ID they must be denied asylum in the UK, this is what needs sorting out, no ID, NO asylum.
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 16, 2022 20:23:03 GMT
As I pointed out earlier though, there are other types of persecution other than war which would give you a reason to seek asylum.
I do take your point about Albania. I don't disagree that the majority of these will be economic migrants rather than asylum seekers. It's up to the home office to look at the cases. The truth is that the home office is not fit for purpose.
I'm not sure that your point on id is terribly thought out though. Yes, some migrants burn passports before travelling as it makes them more difficult to deport. Totally acknowledge that. However, you are making the assumption that all of those coming from places such as Somalia, Eritrea, Sudan, Yemen had ID to start off with and fled the country with it. That is definitely not uniformally true.
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Post by Toreador on Nov 16, 2022 20:38:51 GMT
So on what grounds are these illegal migrants going to claim 'asylum' when they have come over from France in a dinghy, that is where they have come from? Only if they have unduly delayed their journey. Haven't we already had this conversation, or was that someone else? We have indeed and I highlighted the fact that migrant's/immigrants unduly delayed by remaining in France for months and even years. |
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Post by jaydee on Nov 16, 2022 21:29:22 GMT
The only reason there are more in France is because all of Europe's young fit men are making their way to France to grab a dinghy to the UK, France is just their stop gap, they have no intentions of stopping in France, France is actually encouraging it. The French see it as a English problem and have allowed the UK Border Force to operate in France. That was so decimated by the Cretins in Westminster that you apologise for. That even dead immigrants were getting though by the lorry load. Ask the Vietnamese. Then the predecessor of Enoch Braverman closed all legal routes and the method of entry to the UK, changed from smuggling aboard lorries to the crossing of the channel. Which turned from a trickle to the Niagara falls. Who was to blame for that. So if you care to look at the lin instead of ranting UKIP fascist crap, would you care to point out how the French are encouraging it. Keep in mind on conviction . They are imprisoned at the expense of the French tax payer. Apart from that who the French allow on their soil has SFA to do with you. As you rant your dislike of Johnny Foreigner. You start to worry when the French toss UK border force of its soil. And simply put the immigrants onto a ferry and shove it towards Dover. I am surprised they have not done that already with the garbage being spewed at them from silly Englishmen in the British Government . The UK cannot now even send back immigrants, to the last port of departure under the Dublin accord. That is what you voted for. And from the absolute rubbish you post you really do not have a clue why you voted for Brexit. As I have said before. If the UK continues this way with the French. Sooner rather than later the UK will have the largest immigration camp outside the ME in Dover. It is happening now. Would you like another dozen or so links as below. So I am sure you will not as usual be able to back up your garbage, how did you put it.. ah. they have no intentions of stopping in France, France is actually encouraging it. Link please to your statement www.barrons.com/news/french-police-bust-channel-people-smuggling-ring-01663848906 www.euronews.com/2022/07/05/european-police-arrest-130-people-on-suspicion-of-smuggling-migrants-to-ukwww.infomigrants.net/en/post/37069/channel-smugglers-sentenced-to-jail-time-in-french-courts |
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