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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 15, 2022 10:03:29 GMT
I can't believe that we've signed another deal with the Frogs to pay them even more money to do SFA about the migrant boats. Are we mad or stupid. The French claim they've stopped 30,000 people this year but SURELY isn't the problem that the French don't actually stop ANY of the migrants. All that they do is stop a few boat crossings, but they don't detain any of the migrants. They just go back and try again in a few days.  And almost certainly succeed next time. Isn't this obvious? But no one says it. For there to be any point at all in this French agreement they have to detain the migrants, register them and either accept them into the asylum process or deport them. What on earth is the point of just stopping a few boats and letting them go? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2022 10:10:05 GMT
I can't believe that we've signed another deal with the Frogs to pay them even more money to do SFA about the migrant boats. Are we mad or stupid. The French claim they've stopped 30,000 people this year but SURELY isn't the problem that the French don't actually stop ANY of the migrants. All that they do is stop a few boat crossings, but they don't detain any of the migrants. They just go back and try again in a few days. And almost certainly succeed next time. Isn't this obvious? But no one says it. For there to be any point at all in this French agreement they have to detain the migrants, register them and either accept them into the asylum process or deport them. What on earth is the point of just stopping a few boats and letting them go? That's not the deal. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 15, 2022 10:14:57 GMT
What Dr. Johnson said about second marriages explains the behaviour of successive British governments in 'doing deals' with the French in this area:
"It's the triumph of hope over experience"
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 15, 2022 10:41:20 GMT
But there's absolutely no point in the deal. All of the migrants in France will eventually end up here ANYWAY.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 15, 2022 10:44:36 GMT
Apart from it being money for old rope, what possible incentive could there be for the French in making a deal with Britain to help resolve its illegal migrant problem?
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 15, 2022 10:49:32 GMT
Apart from it being money for old rope, what possible incentive could there be for the French in making a deal with Britain to help resolve its illegal migrant problem? None, France and the EU are quite happy for the UK to be the dumping ground for migrants, they realise FoM was a bad idea, so just offload the problem on to us. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 15, 2022 12:23:40 GMT
We should be working with our EU neighbours to take down the people traffickers.
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 15, 2022 13:20:32 GMT
Apart from it being money for old rope, what possible incentive could there be for the French in making a deal with Britain to help resolve its illegal migrant problem? Absolutely none, of course. But why are we agreeing to pay them money (and increasing the money we pay) for a deal that will obviously never work? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 15, 2022 13:47:07 GMT
It gives the impression that 'something is being done'.
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Post by patman post on Nov 15, 2022 16:51:47 GMT
So what can be done?
We’ve had suggestions like mining the Channel, sinking the RIBs, rounding up those landing on the Kent coast and shipping them back to France, or flying them out to Rwanda.
But, in all reality what actually can be done…?
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Post by Toreador on Nov 15, 2022 18:27:23 GMT
So what can be done? We’ve had suggestions like mining the Channel, sinking the RIBs, rounding up those landing on the Kent coast and shipping them back to France, or flying them out to Rwanda. But, in all reality what actually can be done…? Give me a gun, a dark night and the means to identify the dinghy organisers. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 15, 2022 22:19:44 GMT
So what can be done? We’ve had suggestions like mining the Channel, sinking the RIBs, rounding up those landing on the Kent coast and shipping them back to France, or flying them out to Rwanda. But, in all reality what actually can be done…? you answered your own question. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 15, 2022 22:35:46 GMT
I can't believe that we've signed another deal with the Frogs to pay them even more money to do SFA about the migrant boats. Are we mad or stupid. The French claim they've stopped 30,000 people this year but SURELY isn't the problem that the French don't actually stop ANY of the migrants. All that they do is stop a few boat crossings, but they don't detain any of the migrants. They just go back and try again in a few days. And almost certainly succeed next time. Isn't this obvious? But no one says it. For there to be any point at all in this French agreement they have to detain the migrants, register them and either accept them into the asylum process or deport them. What on earth is the point of just stopping a few boats and letting them go? If people were escaping the UK to get to France, would you be desperate to keep them here? If the French wanted you to spend money patrolling the south coast, what would you do differently? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 16, 2022 7:06:12 GMT
So what can be done? We’ve had suggestions like mining the Channel, sinking the RIBs, rounding up those landing on the Kent coast and shipping them back to France, or flying them out to Rwanda. But, in all reality what actually can be done…? Germany and Sweden send Albanians straight back - they don't even consider asylum because they're obviously not eligible. The reason we can't do that is because the Albanians have been told by our Lefty lawyers to say they've been "trafficked". Apparently that allows them to claim asylum under the ludicrous May's "modern slavery" act. So we could amend/repeal that act and then we would be able to deport them too. But I don't see any moves to do that. Why not? And the rest could be sent to Rwanda. In order to do that we need to leave the ECHR or it'll consistently run into legal challenges. Yet I don't see any moves to leave the ECHR. WTF is Braverman doing? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 16, 2022 7:11:19 GMT
If people were escaping the UK to get to France, would you be desperate to keep them here? If the French wanted you to spend money patrolling the south coast, what would you do differently? Well if France actually stopped the migrants coming here it would mean that these illegals wouldn't be camping all over their coast. They only do that because they know the Frogs won't do anything to stop them coming to the UK. None of them want to live in France. |
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And almost certainly succeed next time. Isn't this obvious? But no one says it.
