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Post by jonksy on Feb 13, 2024 19:28:27 GMT
Labour suspends second parliamentary candidate in wake of Rochdale anti-Semitism row..... A Labour candidate has been suspended from the party after he was recorded claiming Britons who volunteer to fight for the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) should be “locked up”. Graham Jones was the Labour MP for Hyndburn between 2010 and 2019 and had been set to fight the next election for the party in the Lancashire borough...
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Post by jonksy on Feb 13, 2024 19:29:58 GMT
Angela endorses the Rochdale candidate. She may have changed her mind now. Is there any she hasn't? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 13, 2024 19:30:22 GMT
No idea who Graham Jones is ( Labour candidate or not ) but I wholeheartedly agree with him 100% Our government is not calling Israel out over its war crimes and brutallity, neither is the Labour Party But we get a sense of what Israel's traditional allies think, yesterday Joe Biden called Netanyahu "An Arsehole"... LOL! The daft old fucker probably had him mixed up with the president of Mexico. 🤣 |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 13, 2024 19:35:19 GMT
Angela endorses the Rochdale candidate. She may have changed her mind now. Here she is on arsebook...
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 14, 2024 3:07:16 GMT
Listen to his words "he was in political trouble so he cashed it.... he pulled the security... to allow that massacre". Whether you agree with his analysis or not is hardly the point. He suggests that Netanyahu is a pretty brutal political operator and may have calculated that the cost of allowing the Hamas attack was worth the wider benefits for the country and for his own political career. Whether you think that supposition is credible or not is for you to decide. Surely though it only becomes anti semitic if your logic is that jewish people and politicians are more likely than people and politicians of other faith to make such a brutal calculation and hence that calculation was made because Netanyahu is jewish rather than because Netanyahu is a pretty horrbile human being who happens to be jewish. You being quite naive on this one. It is an antisemtic conspiracy because (a) it seeks to blame the victim and thus justify the crime (b) it says Jewish people are so evil that it is plausible that they would do something like this. It is from the same place as Holocaust denial. I mean come on, I've heard people trot out this conspiracy on radio phone ins and pretend they are not antisemitic, then when they are challenged over the raping of women and children they say that never happened and it is IDF lies. They don't give a damn about fellow Muslims, as demonstrated by no Muslim countries wanting Palestinian refugees. I don't see Chinese restaurants being attacked over the persecution of the Uyghur people. Muslims obsess over Israel because of long-standing religious reasons, and the far-lefties hate Israel because they see Jews as a symbol of capitalism. It really is that simple. |
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 14, 2024 3:18:43 GMT
It turns out the recording was made on 31st October last year at a meeting of the Lancashire Labour Group.
The media is undoubtedly going to be fishing around to find out who was at that meeting.
Once that is know, the next question will be did they report his outrageous comments to Labour HQ, and if not, why not.
This story is far from finished.
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Post by Equivocal on Feb 14, 2024 5:48:16 GMT
Whether you agree with his analysis or not is hardly the point. He suggests that Netanyahu is a pretty brutal political operator and may have calculated that the cost of allowing the Hamas attack was worth the wider benefits for the country and for his own political career. Whether you think that supposition is credible or not is for you to decide. Surely though it only becomes anti semitic if your logic is that jewish people and politicians are more likely than people and politicians of other faith to make such a brutal calculation and hence that calculation was made because Netanyahu is jewish rather than because Netanyahu is a pretty horrbile human being who happens to be jewish. You being quite naive on this one. It is an antisemtic conspiracy because (a) it seeks to blame the victim and thus justify the crime (b) it says Jewish people are so evil that it is plausible that they would do something like this. It is from the same place as Holocaust denial. I mean come on, I've heard people trot out this conspiracy on radio phone ins and pretend they are not antisemitic, then when they are challenged over the raping of women and children they say that never happened and it is IDF lies. They don't give a damn about fellow Muslims, as demonstrated by no Muslim countries wanting Palestinian refugees. I don't see Chinese restaurants being attacked over the persecution of the Uyghur people. Muslims obsess over Israel because of long-standing religious reasons, and the far-lefties hate Israel because they see Jews as a symbol of capitalism. It really is that simple. It turns on what is meant by 'they'. If the word they refers to Netanyahu and co-conspirators, then the remarks are not antisemitic. If it refers to Israelis generally, then they are.
Given the reference to 'innocent victims', I'd guess the former to be more likely. That said, we can't have prospective MPs accusing the leaders of an ally country of conspiracy to murder, and why Starmer didn't act immediately is, in my opinion, a poor reflection on his character.
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 14, 2024 6:51:00 GMT
I find it odd that left leaning posters on here are questioning accusations of anti-semitism.
When historically, it is these people who look for racism when it's not there.
Such that, they've conditioned society to their hyper-sensitive norm, and when victimhood status is a trophy to behold and a blessing of one's moral righteousness they fail to see the paradox here they've produced.
You reap what you sow.
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 14, 2024 6:58:04 GMT
You being quite naive on this one. It is an antisemtic conspiracy because (a) it seeks to blame the victim and thus justify the crime (b) it says Jewish people are so evil that it is plausible that they would do something like this. It is from the same place as Holocaust denial. I mean come on, I've heard people trot out this conspiracy on radio phone ins and pretend they are not antisemitic, then when they are challenged over the raping of women and children they say that never happened and it is IDF lies. They don't give a damn about fellow Muslims, as demonstrated by no Muslim countries wanting Palestinian refugees. I don't see Chinese restaurants being attacked over the persecution of the Uyghur people. Muslims obsess over Israel because of long-standing religious reasons, and the far-lefties hate Israel because they see Jews as a symbol of capitalism. It really is that simple. It turns on what is meant by 'they'. If the word they refers to Netanyahu and co-conspirators, then the remarks are not antisemitic. If it refers to Israelis generally, then they are.
Given the reference to 'innocent victims', I'd guess the former to be more likely. That said, we can't have prospective MPs accusing the leaders of an ally country of conspiracy to murder, and why Starmer didn't act immediately is, in my opinion, a poor reflection on his character.
I think most people by now have got a good read on his character. He flows with the blow and has no solid conviction. He's not leader material, not be a long shot. Then again, neither is Rishi leader material. They're both two cheeks of the same arse. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 14, 2024 7:57:12 GMT
It turns out the recording was made on 31st October last year at a meeting of the Lancashire Labour Group. The media is undoubtedly going to be fishing around to find out who was at that meeting. Once that is know, the next question will be did they report his outrageous comments to Labour HQ, and if not, why not.
This story is far from finished. I think this is the main point - the audience apparently saw nothing in his speech to get upset about - which would kinda suggest that Starmers efforts to detoxify the Labour Party and expunge the rampant antisemitism need a hell of a lot more work. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 14, 2024 8:28:31 GMT
Why post such a daft post? |
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Post by see2 on Feb 14, 2024 8:31:09 GMT
Will Labour have any candidates left come the election?..  Not your first daft comment. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 14, 2024 8:35:30 GMT
No idea who Graham Jones is ( Labour candidate or not ) but I wholeheartedly agree with him 100% Our government is not calling Israel out over its war crimes and brutallity, neither is the Labour PartyBut we get a sense of what Israel's traditional allies think, yesterday Joe Biden called Netanyahu "An Arsehole" The EU are very unhappy with Israel, and some EU countries have stopped allowing parts to be sent for Israeli warplanes. Similar to the Arab world who have failed to 'call out' Hamas for their crimes and brutality. Not an excuse of course, but still a significant part of the problem. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 14, 2024 8:40:04 GMT
Three silly posts that expose your typical Rightist approach of denigration before debate. Very childish. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 14, 2024 8:47:30 GMT
Angela endorses the Rochdale candidate. She may have changed her mind now. I think the timeline before comment is important. |
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