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Post by witchfinder on Feb 5, 2024 23:14:01 GMT
Britain is different, and I am glad it is
Politics of the extreme has no place here, and populists wont have any success at the ballot box, it was the same with Michael Foot and Jeremy Corbyn, and I suspect its why Keir Starmer is roaring ahead in the opinion polls, because he's Labour, but he's a moderate.
A populist will in my view attract SOME Conservative voters, but others will defect, and a populist will also attract SOME Labour voters, but most will continue to vote Labour.
I reckon that these so called populists have tasted blood after the general election of 2019, and they think that they are onto a winner, but that election was complicated by the fact that Labour was headed by a person of the far Left, and also by Brexit, it was an unusual election.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 5, 2024 23:20:57 GMT
So, Liz Truss is to launch a group entitled "Popular Conservatives Group", and apparently Nigel Farage is invited to attend. Seems to me that the Conservatives in fighting is going to reach a new level, its the so called "populists" versus the moderates. This is not only driving a wedge into the Conservative Party and splitting it, its also driving a wedge into Conservative supporters and voters. It wont work
The more traditional Conservatives and moderates, with heavy concentrations in the Home Counties and the South would likely turn to the Lib Dems. However, lurching the party towards the populist right would likely keep the voters of Grimsby, Redcar and Middlesbrough South happy, the so called Red Wall seats. Why won't it work - populists are increasing their support across Europe, why would the UK be any different?. Yes some Tory centrists would turn to the LibDems but centrist party's are losing support around the globe - partisan politics is the new reality. partisan politics is the new reality.. What like the anti Democratic Trump.supporterst breaking into Capitol Buildings and a police officer was murderd in the process. What a sad state the world is coming Also after far right wing party won in Italy many on here said that they will leave the EU not so.far they haven't Why do you think that is? Could it be they seen the mess this country in after leaving the EU And decided they be better in the EU L |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 6, 2024 0:07:10 GMT
Starmer is no moderate he's an extremist Europhile with a massive chip on his shoulder.
And he doesn't know what a woman is.
I don't trust him as far as I could throw him.
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 6, 2024 5:49:33 GMT
He'd be popular with a section of the Tory support. To say that he'd be universally popular with the Tory support would definitely be a mistake. There's a broad band of Tories who would want nothing to do with him, and that would be true of both MPs and voters. Please don't think that all Tory voters think like Squeezed or Rackham. They don't. It would only be the traitors amidst the tories who would hate the idea...Fucking remainers are nothing more than a bloody curse who should slung out of the party or better still shot. What you don't seem to realise is that it exactly this infighting that is making the Tories unelectable. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 6, 2024 7:02:11 GMT
It would only be the traitors amidst the tories who would hate the idea...Fucking remainers are nothing more than a bloody curse who should slung out of the party or better still shot. What you don't seem to realise is that it exactly this infighting that is making the Tories unelectable. And what about labours infighting? They can't even agree on whether a woman can have a penis or their excuse for a leader can define a women. FFS. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 6, 2024 7:13:06 GMT
Starmer is no moderate he's an extremist Europhile with a massive chip on his shoulder. And he doesn't know what a woman is. I don't trust him as far as I could throw him. The frienf of sex pest Boris Johnson . Certainly nows what a woman is. And obviously has no respect for them. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 6, 2024 7:17:26 GMT
What you don't seem to realise is that it exactly this infighting that is making the Tories unelectable. And what about labours infighting? They can't even agree on whether a woman can have a penis or their excuse for a leader can define a women. FFS. I don’t remember any Labour infighting over it. Care to share a link? |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 6, 2024 7:20:28 GMT
Why won't it work - populists are increasing their support across Europe, why would the UK be any different?. Yes some Tory centrists would turn to the LibDems but centrist party's are losing support around the globe - partisan politics is the new reality. partisan politics is the new reality.. What like the anti Democratic Trump.supporterst breaking into Capitol Buildings and a police officer was murderd in the process. What a sad state the world is coming Also after far right wing party won in Italy many on here said that they will leave the EU not so.far they haven't Why do you think that is? Could it be they seen the mess this country in after leaving the EU And decided they be better in the EU L The mess this country is in has nothing to do with whether we are in the EU or not - it is 4 decades of managed decline by centrist politicians who do not actually believe in anything, let alone the Country. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 6, 2024 8:08:10 GMT
partisan politics is the new reality.. What like the anti Democratic Trump.supporterst breaking into Capitol Buildings and a police officer was murderd in the process. What a sad state the world is coming Also after far right wing party won in Italy many on here said that they will leave the EU not so.far they haven't Why do you think that is? Could it be they seen the mess this country in after leaving the EU And decided they be better in the EU L The mess this country is in has nothing to do with whether we are in the EU or not - it is 4 decades of managed decline by centrist politicians who do not actually believe in anything, let alone the Country. 4 Decades of centralise Government? Need i remind 1979-1990 4 decades of decades of Centrust government made this country a mess Need i Remind you the mess this County was in front. 1979-90 Unemployment had peaked at nearly 3,300,000 in 1984 May 1979 inflation was at 10.3 percent. In October 1990, the month before she left power, it was 10.9 percent. 1980-1 recession Thatcher’s recession at the start of the decade set Britain’s economic growth back massively. It took until 1988 just to get back on trend with the growth of the 1970s. Blowing bubbles This brought a brand new phenomenon – irresponsible lending by banks. The credit bubble fuelled inflation, overheated the economy, then burst and sent the country into another recession in 1990. Ironically the Thatcherite experiment was scuppered by free markets. It was an allegory for the future fate of the global neoliberal economy |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 6, 2024 8:17:46 GMT
1997 was the last year we saw 5% growth in the economy - since then the direction of travel has only been one way.  |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 6, 2024 8:56:49 GMT
And what about labours infighting? They can't even agree on whether a woman can have a penis or their excuse for a leader can define a women. FFS. over it. Care to share a link? Of course you can't Andy. All you see is the utopian vision of labour taking the UK back into your beloved EUSSR.....There are stacks of links out there for those prepared to look.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 6, 2024 9:00:36 GMT
Labour's plans for a new race equality act were announced at a behind closed doors event that excluded equality campaigners who wanted to review the proposals, Sky News can reveal. link |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 6, 2024 9:22:39 GMT
1997 was the last year we saw 5% growth in the economy - since then the direction of travel has only been one way. Who Who was in Government until 1997 urn would that be According to you.Centerlist John.Major . And talk about CenterliSt Government I often call the dire performance of the Conservative government. But I Give them credit where Credit due . And that's unemployment the lowest on record compare that to.right winh Maggie It was at a record high nearly 4 million..lol Stick that In your pipe and Smoke it. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 6, 2024 9:26:30 GMT
Starmer is no moderate he's an extremist Europhile with a massive chip on his shoulder. And he doesn't know what a woman is. I don't trust him as far as I could throw him. Yea yea.yarwn |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 6, 2024 9:31:03 GMT
John Major is an extremist Europhile who tried to get us into the Euro.
His plan backfired and we crashed out of the Exchange Rate Mechanism. Black Wednesday. September 1992.
There was no way back for him after that, despite Kenneth Clarke getting the economy back into surplus.
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