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Post by zanygame on Feb 9, 2024 21:07:28 GMT
Oh the irony Zany I's against immigration like you Are you saying them that are against immigration don't tell the truth? Buy Zany dosent blame all the Country problems on immigrants Zany doesn't mind immigrants at all, he just thinks the country is full and doesn't want any more people. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 9, 2024 21:25:55 GMT
Buy Zany dosent blame all the Country problems on immigrants Zany doesn't mind immigrants at all, he just thinks the country is full and doesn't want any more people. OK I put it another way zany against any further immigration . But must had that the argument that the Country is full has been used since at least the 30s. And I did say you don't blame immigrants for all the Country woes |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 9, 2024 21:36:07 GMT
Zany doesn't mind immigrants at all, he just thinks the country is full and doesn't want any more people. OK I put it another way zany against any further immigration . But must had that the argument that the Country is full has been used since at least the 30s. And I did say you don't blame immigrants for all the Country woes I don't blame them for any of the countries woes. I started thinking the country was full when it became almost impossible to camp wild here... As for immigrants we already invited to come and live here. I'm very happy to meet them as I love new stories and different cultures. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 9, 2024 21:44:17 GMT
OK I put it another way zany against any further immigration . But must had that the argument that the Country is full has been used since at least the 30s. And I did say you don't blame immigrants for all the Country woes I don't blame them for any of the countries woes. I started thinking the country was full when it became almost impossible to camp wild here... As for immigrants we already invited to come and live here. I'm very happy to meet them as I love new stories and different cultures. almost impossible to camp wild here Sorry Can you expand on what you mean here . |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 9, 2024 22:12:21 GMT
I don't blame them for any of the countries woes. I started thinking the country was full when it became almost impossible to camp wild here... As for immigrants we already invited to come and live here. I'm very happy to meet them as I love new stories and different cultures. almost impossible to camp wild here Sorry Can you expand on what you mean here . When I was a lad of eight some 57 years ago I lived in a village with loads of unused land. I could walk for 4 miles to the next village without seeing a soul or leaving the woods that stretched between them. As my boys grew up I used to take them wild camping, that is to say camping not in camp sites. But in recent years this proved impossible. So my opinion is that there are now more people than the land can happily support. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 9, 2024 22:27:52 GMT
GDP grew every year between 2010 and 2020..  Only by increasing the population by millions. And I thought you didn't like GDP as a measure. Well GDP per capita also grew - granted by very little but still no evidence of this shrinking economy that you claim. In reality we had a growing economy - increasing publc spending and increasing borrowing to pay for it. A very weird definition of 'austerity' in the eyes of any honest person. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 9, 2024 22:29:39 GMT
Spending (fueled by borrowing) went up - the complete opposite of austerity.. Just because spending did not rise as fast as you might have wished that does not make it austerity. Obviously government spending would have been far worse but for austerity. Obvious because austerity was very real in terms of money in pockets with a 2% increase in VAT being an unarguable fact of part of austerity. That word salad makes absolutely no sense at all. Austerity is a reduction in government spending not an increase. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 9, 2024 22:31:28 GMT
almost impossible to camp wild here Sorry Can you expand on what you mean here . When I was a lad of eight some 57 years ago I lived in a village with loads of unused land. I could walk for 4 miles to the next village without seeing a soul or leaving the woods that stretched between them. As my boys grew up I used to take them wild camping, that is to say camping not in camp sites. But in recent years this proved impossible. So my opinion is that there are now more people than the land can happily support. Why is there massive housing on them.sites .or do you think Some land owners have restricted the use . Of there land? . And I Could show you there Massive areas of unbuilt green land in this country. Also I know your Area Cambridge haS a large influx but by and large immigrants settle in Urban areas. And most house building happens on Brown land. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 9, 2024 22:54:26 GMT
Obviously government spending would have been far worse but for austerity. Obvious because austerity was very real in terms of money in pockets with a 2% increase in VAT being an unarguable fact of part of austerity. That word salad makes absolutely no sense at all. Austerity is a reduction in government spending not an increase. Would that reduction also not.has high increase in spending . If the a increase its not by the rate of other Governments. I posted a Chart on NHS spending over it's Seventy Years history and it shown post 2010 Government spending compared by GPD was 40% on Average pre 2010 it was 45% the only time it was beaten when it was money Spent on Colvid and that was 50% plus . Don't know how you can try and say there no Measures and often use the Money spent on NHS .when it's more often below the increase spent by other Governments I did post the Chart on this thread and a other post both have gone do you know why . |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 9, 2024 23:07:20 GMT
That word salad makes absolutely no sense at all. Austerity is a reduction in government spending not an increase. Would that reduction also not.has high increase in spending . If the a increase its not by the rate of other Governments.
That is not the definition of Austerity. Austerity is a not a measure of how much you increase spending. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 9, 2024 23:12:52 GMT
Would that reduction also not.has high increase in spending . If the a increase its not by the rate of other Governments.
That is not the definition of Austerity. Austerity is a not a measure of how much you increase spending. So are you saying the Measures are no Spending or a Cut in Spending ? Witch one Do you know what happened to.my 2 post? |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 9, 2024 23:52:08 GMT
What austerity?
There wasn't any, there was a lot of talk but the government of David Cameron didn't cut.
Spending grew every year.
Same under May and Johnson and Sunak.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 10, 2024 0:21:43 GMT
What austerity? There wasn't any, there was a lot of talk but the government of David Cameron didn't cut. Spending grew every year. Same under May and Johnson and Sunak. You do know the public purse also includes State Benefits. MOD. Public sector pay .paying the National Dept.off There a lot that goes out of the public purse then just public Services. If there no Cuts why are Councils all over the political spectrum saying there finance have been cut . Social care on its knees. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 10, 2024 0:53:46 GMT
Labour propaganda.
If there'd been real austerity, government would have run a budget surplus since 2010 and national debt would have fallen year on year.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 10, 2024 6:42:54 GMT
Why has the Government Debt increased ?
The independent public spending watchdog’s report Managing government borrowing examines how public bodies are pursuing the government’s debt management objectives, and how they manage the risks of borrowing1.
The report found that government’s borrowing needs increased sharply to support pandemic-related spending. Also, rising inflation and interest rates have increased borrowing costs – with debt interest rising to £110.6 billion in 2022-23 – the highest levels as a percentage of GDP since the 1950s.
The pandemic led to a large increase in borrowing, and more recently, higher interest rates and inflation have raised the cost of new government borrowing. While the government has been able to meet its borrowing needs through the work of the DMO and NS&I, debt interest is now one of the largest items in government spending.
“There are substantial challenges ahead for debt management, which will require sustained focus from government.”
Gareth Davies, head of NAO
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