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Post by thomas on Feb 5, 2024 8:00:21 GMT
. What about the SNP, the in-fighting there seems to be over culture wars as much as right versus left. Whats about the labour infighting over the Palestinian conflict , the potential loss of the muslim vote , the Brexit elephant that still sits in the room , not to mention Scottish indy ? Starmer labour supporters do make me fucking laugh. The same people telling us to vote keir starmer to get the tories out , where the ones telling us not to vote Corbyn to get the tories out , while stabbing him in the back. The polls showed labour ahead consistently in the run up to the 2015 general election , with a narrowing as the election approached , and at the end , as we know a conservative victory. Lack of accurate sampling and over representation of labour supporters being blamed. Here's hoping this time around is much the same... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2015_United_Kingdom_general_election#:~:text=However%20the%20actual%20results%20showed,than%20the%20polls%20had%20suggested. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35931342
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Post by thomas on Feb 5, 2024 8:05:59 GMT
There must be an end to the alternation between tweedledee and tweedledum and pretending things would change when one replaces the other. totally agree. What actually does keir starmer stand for , and can we trust him on any issue? Ive lost track of the things he has u turned on , 28 billion green energy , House of Lords reform , commitment to nationalise various industries like energy , and so on .
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 5, 2024 8:19:32 GMT
There must be an end to the alternation between tweedledee and tweedledum and pretending things would change when one replaces the other. totally agree. What actually does keir starmer stand for , and can we trust him on any issue? Ive lost track of the things he has u turned on , 28 billion green energy , House of Lords reform , commitment to nationalise various industries like energy , and so on . judge the man.on what he does not.what. he says .
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 5, 2024 8:22:31 GMT
totally agree. What actually does keir starmer stand for , and can we trust him on any issue? Ive lost track of the things he has u turned on , 28 billion green energy , House of Lords reform , commitment to nationalise various industries like energy , and so on . judge the man.on what he does not.what. he says . And how many Scots nats promises have they Broken while in power .
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Post by thomas on Feb 5, 2024 8:23:53 GMT
totally agree. What actually does keir starmer stand for , and can we trust him on any issue? Ive lost track of the things he has u turned on , 28 billion green energy , House of Lords reform , commitment to nationalise various industries like energy , and so on . judge the man.on what he does not.what. he says . you have to pre judge the man and his party on what they say in their manifesto pre election. That's the whole basis of election campaigning in the uk. He rhymes off what he's going to do if he takes power , and asks us to vote for him on it. As he can't be trusted to do what he says so far , then he won't be getting my vote.
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Post by thomas on Feb 5, 2024 8:25:27 GMT
judge the man.on what he does not.what. he says . And how many Scots nats promises have they Broken while in power . Tell us? The Scots nats aren't asking you to vote for them .Your Labour Party however is .
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 5, 2024 8:34:35 GMT
And how many Scots nats promises have they Broken while in power . Tell us? The Scots nats aren't asking you to vote for them .Your Labour Party however is . Yes they are asking you to vote for them And then.let you know they changed the there minds. Can't you see the difference of making statement in a Manifesto with lies just to get Voted in power.
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Post by thomas on Feb 5, 2024 8:37:17 GMT
Tell us? The Scots nats aren't asking you to vote for them .Your Labour Party however is . Yes they are asking you to vote for them And then.let you know they changed the there minds. Can't you see the difference of making statement in a Manifesto with lies just to get Voted in power. So you are asking people to blindly trust starmer and vote a man into power who has broken every election pledge he ever made , and u turned on every policy he has ever announced , while implying this is what other political parties do like the snp but can't give us an example ? Why vote labour when they are no different to the tories? If people are tories , why would they vote labour , a cheap imitation , when they could vote the real thing?
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 5, 2024 8:43:20 GMT
God is an Englishman and Brexit is a done deal, so there is sod all to discuss.
Any thoughts on the matter ? God is Jewish and Brexit is done can you point to where the Country has profitted from. It. If god is Jewish then the part of the country that has profitted is clearly Golders Green
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Post by thomas on Feb 5, 2024 8:44:11 GMT
archive.is/8WNcwKeir Starmer’s Labour ‘set to ditch plans to abolish House of Lords’LABOUR have been slammed for dumping another key promise to voters after reports suggested the party is set to row back on plans to abolish the House of Lords.In December last year, Keir Starmer insisted that the unelected chamber was “indefensible” and his party would replace it with an Assembly of the Nations and Regions.The plans were first published in a report on the UK’s constitutional future, penned by former prime minister Gordon Brown. ....and here is the Labour Party poster from 1910 , where they were promising to abolish the House of Lords 114 years ago.... which they have done in practically every election since .... archive.is/elA8i#selection-3117.15-3117.77
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 5, 2024 8:45:40 GMT
Better still can you point out how the country is any worse off since Brexit? dont tempt fate fair. We haven't suffered a starmer government so far. Did you see the repulsive Chris Bryant moaning about lack of trust in politics , while 5 minutes earlier trying to defend starmer on his u turn on the house of lords? LMFAO. Supporters of a man who has broken every single pledge he was elected leader on moaning about lack of trust. FFS. I confess I did not. I did come across a select committee inquiry into the home secretary where a rather repugnamt civil servant showed why the civil service is neither civil nor servile. He seems to be under the illusion that those arriving by rubber raft are still able to c,aim asylum despite the law specifically disallowing it. Clearly in need of a P45
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 5, 2024 8:47:54 GMT
If the polls are reasonably accurate, and with the polls been very heavily against the Conservatives for almost 18 months now, the interesting time for politics could be after the election. As things stand, the Conservatives will, at the very least do badly, and could be decimated, the Lib Dems will do OK, particularly in the South, and the SNP will lose seats to Labour, who will regain a good foothold in Scotland. All this bearing in mind that a week in politics is a long time But, if this most likely scenario bears out, what will happen to the Conservative Party, will the party move back towards the kind of Conservative Party we know as "traditional", or will they veer towards the Right, who might the challengers be to Rishi Sunak. What about the SNP, the in-fighting there seems to be over culture wars as much as right versus left. Any veering towards the "traditional" conservative party WILL be a faitly sickenng (for the elected) lurch to the right; if it were to go any further left it woud be the social democratic party of 1981 plus the no borders nutters of momemtum
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 5, 2024 8:53:50 GMT
Agree tom, Chris Bryant is one of the most grubbiest MPs in politics, he's a odious arrogant self serving little pipsqueak, who I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw the tw@, typical of your Labour lefties, he absolutely want the UK to fail under Brexit, and make no odds about it when and if Labour get to power their first and foremost agenda is to sabotage Brexit, and tie us back to their apron strings of the EU. wasn't he the guy who made Russian funding claims about farage and then had to apologise? I know our welsh resident John of gwent has said to me numerous occasion about the sheer duplicity and lies of the man . Having the brass neck to sit and moan about lack of trust in politics though show that labour aren't the solution , merely a large part of the problem in uk politics. He once chose to plunge several feet to the ground in order to avoid walking past me on a podium. He coudn't even break his neck properly.
He will be forever the man who posed in grubby underpants for his profie picture on a gay dating site.
And for the record I don't care that he as an adult chooses to stick his dick up the arses of other consenting adult men. That is not the problem. The problem is that he chooses to make it public and seems to be ignorant of the existence of a westminster laundry allowance
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 5, 2024 8:55:55 GMT
Yes they are asking you to vote for them And then.let you know they changed the there minds. Can't you see the difference of making statement in a Manifesto with lies just to get Voted in power. So you are asking people to blindly trust starmer and vote a man into power who has broken every election pledge he ever made , and u turned on every policy he has ever announced , while implying this is what other political parties do like the snp but can't give us an example ? Why vote labour when they are no different to the tories? If people are tories , why would they vote labour , a cheap imitation , when they could vote the real thing? What on earth you on about labour are no different then the Torys. I've answed you on this before there plenty of so called Alternativel who people can vote for but the voting public won't toUch them with.a barge poll. And what promises has Keir broken.to.get elected heard this plenty of times but not provided any prove. Let's not forget. You said he broken every one can you proved this
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 5, 2024 8:58:41 GMT
archive.is/8WNcwKeir Starmer’s Labour ‘set to ditch plans to abolish House of Lords’LABOUR have been slammed for dumping another key promise to voters after reports suggested the party is set to row back on plans to abolish the House of Lords.In December last year, Keir Starmer insisted that the unelected chamber was “indefensible” and his party would replace it with an Assembly of the Nations and Regions.The plans were first published in a report on the UK’s constitutional future, penned by former prime minister Gordon Brown. ....and here is the Labour Party poster from 1910 , where they were promising to abolish the House of Lords 114 years ago.... which they have done in practically every election since .... archive.is/elA8i#selection-3117.15-3117.77 Thanks for that
In reality they thanked god they had not done that far in 2005. They needed to put this woman there to shut her up
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