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Post by thomas on Feb 4, 2024 12:59:03 GMT
If the polls are reasonably accurate, and with the polls been very heavily against the Conservatives for almost 18 months now, the interesting time for politics could be after the election. As things stand, the Conservatives will, at the very least do badly, and could be decimated, the Lib Dems will do OK, particularly in the South, and the SNP will lose seats to Labour, who will regain a good foothold in Scotland. All this bearing in mind that a week in politics is a long time But, if this most likely scenario bears out, what will happen to the Conservative Party, will the party move back towards the kind of Conservative Party we know as "traditional", or will they veer towards the Right, who might the challengers be to Rishi Sunak. What about the SNP, the in-fighting there seems to be over culture wars as much as right versus left. The polls look to be reasonably accurate as things stand. Labour are on recently around 40 % on a 50 % turnout. That is a damning verdict on labour after 14 years , and 17 years , of tory and snp governments respectively. Around a fifth of the uk electorate support them , similar to 2019. Blair and labour were polling much higher in the run up to the 97 election. If I recall Blair at times was in the 50 % range , which dropped over ten points come election time. The point is being made starmers figures look good on a low turnout. If people get motivated to go out and vote , and im sure that is going to happen , labour could have problems. The snp are predicted to take tory seats , and lose seats to labour. Labour couldnt actually do any worse than they currently sit could they though? how do you mean ? The issue with the current snp is the lack of any movement on the independence situation. what culture wars are you talking about? |
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Post by thomas on Feb 4, 2024 13:01:53 GMT
dont tempt fate fair. We haven't suffered a starmer government so far. Did you see the repulsive Chris Bryant moaning about lack of trust in politics , while 5 minutes earlier trying to defend starmer on his u turn on the house of lords? LMFAO. Supporters of a man who has broken every single pledge he was elected leader on moaning about lack of trust. FFS. Agree tom, Chris Bryant is one of the most grubbiest MPs in politics, he's a odious arrogant self serving little pipsqueak, who I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw the tw@, typical of your Labour lefties, he absolutely want the UK to fail under Brexit, and make no odds about it when and if Labour get to power their first and foremost agenda is to sabotage Brexit, and tie us back to their apron strings of the EU. wasn't he the guy who made Russian funding claims about farage and then had to apologise? I know our welsh resident John of gwent has said to me numerous occasion about the sheer duplicity and lies of the man . Having the brass neck to sit and moan about lack of trust in politics though show that labour aren't the solution , merely a large part of the problem in uk politics. If the polls are correct , im absolutely dreading the shitshow of a labour government. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 4, 2024 13:10:12 GMT
Agree tom, Chris Bryant is one of the most grubbiest MPs in politics, he's a odious arrogant self serving little pipsqueak, who I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw the tw@, typical of your Labour lefties, he absolutely want the UK to fail under Brexit, and make no odds about it when and if Labour get to power their first and foremost agenda is to sabotage Brexit, and tie us back to their apron strings of the EU. wasn't he the guy who made Russian funding claims about farage and then had to apologise? I know our welsh resident John of gwent has said to me numerous occasion about the sheer duplicity and lies of the man . Having the brass neck to sit and man about lack of trust in politics though show that labour aren't the solution , merely a large part of the problem in uk politics. If the polls are correct , im absolutely dreading the shitshow of a labour government. Totally agree tom, if Labour get to power Scotland will want independence even more, Labour hate the UK they hate British traditional values, they hate what it stands for, they want a European UK, it wouldn't surprise me if they went as far as changing our name from the United Kingdom to United European State of Britain, why would we have a leader a party running a country they hate. |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 4, 2024 13:20:04 GMT
God is an Englishman and Brexit is a done deal, so there is sod all to discuss.
Any thoughts on the matter ? God is Scouse. Although technically English, sees himself as different. That would make sense seeing as his only recorded public appearance was as a burning bush |
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Post by borchester on Feb 4, 2024 13:27:52 GMT
I admire your optimism borkie. My default position Tommy, is cheerful pessimism.
I expect that most things will go wrong, but that they can also be fixed without too much fuss. But I have noticed that if the tea comes up cold, some folk tend to treat it as a national fucking emergency.
I have never found the lefts anti antisemitism either novel or interesting, so I have to give that a pass I am afraid |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 4, 2024 13:29:35 GMT
Yea Sure done it plenty of times where Should I start ? Trade deals. es sure what about one of the Bread and butter of British Industry Farmers Lisa O'Carroll Brexit correspondent @lisaocarroll Thu 29 Dec 2022 08.00 EST Loss of the common agricultural policy (CAP), and has been disadvantaged by trade deals giving access to the UK market to rival farmers from Australia and New Zealand. “From a sheep farmer’s point of view, there’s no good outcome from those trade deals,” says Rickman. On the fourth anniversary of Brexit last Wednesday, the business and trade secretary, Kemi Badenoch, trumpeted its successes. “The British people’s conviction that the UK would excel as masters of our own fate has paid dividends,” she said, launching a report detailing the benefits. The trade deficit with all countries increased to £5.9 billion in the three months to November 2023 compared with the previous three months. Exports decreased by 1.3% and imports decreased by 1.1% in cash terms over this period.12 Jan 2024 commonslibrary.parliament.uk › ... Trade: Key Economic Indicators - The House of Commons Library Among the top achievements listed were booming sales of honey to Saudi Arabia, surging pet food exports to India, a rush of UK pork, worth £18m over five years, heading into Mexico’s restaurants and homes, and UK beauty products sales leaping in China, thanks to barriers being smashed. James Tapper and Toby Helm, Political Editor Sun 4 Feb 2024 01.00 EST But her triumphalist tone, and many of the assertions in the Department for Business and Trade’s (DBT) Brexit 4th Anniversary document, did not quite ring true with the industries cited. “I don’t know any of our members who export any great amounts [to Saudi Arabia],” said Paul Barton of the Bee Farmers Association, which represents professional beekeepers in the UK. “Speaking from the industry, we’ve not had any assistance from the government in exploiting [the Saudi Arabian] market, getting access into that market. So I don’t know where their increases come from So the reality is the trade deals are no.real benefits to industry and left the Country in More dept. |
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 4, 2024 13:33:52 GMT
If the polls are reasonably accurate, and with the polls been very heavily against the Conservatives for almost 18 months now, the interesting time for politics could be after the election. As things stand, the Conservatives will, at the very least do badly, and could be decimated, the Lib Dems will do OK, particularly in the South, and the SNP will lose seats to Labour, who will regain a good foothold in Scotland. All this bearing in mind that a week in politics is a long time But, if this most likely scenario bears out, what will happen to the Conservative Party, will the party move back towards the kind of Conservative Party we know as "traditional", or will they veer towards the Right, who might the challengers be to Rishi Sunak. What about the SNP, the in-fighting there seems to be over culture wars as much as right versus left. The polls look to be reasonably accurate as things stand. Labour are on recently around 40 % on a 50 % turnout. That is a damning verdict on labour after 14 years , and 17 years , of tory and snp governments respectively. Around a fifth of the uk electorate support them , similar to 2019. Blair and labour were polling much higher in the run up to the 97 election. If I recall Blair at times was in the 50 % range , which dropped over ten points come election time. The point is being made starmers figures look good on a low turnout. If people get motivated to go out and vote , and im sure that is going to happen , labour could have problems. The snp are predicted to take tory seats , and lose seats to labour. Labour couldnt actually do any worse than they currently sit could they though? how do you mean ? The issue with the current snp is the lack of any movement on the independence situation. what culture wars are you talking about? Perhaps you might explain to me how you predict a Labour vote of around 40% based on a 50% turnout ? Opinion Polls do not base their findings on any given, or particulat turnout, they are a sample vote, a snapshot of a given number of people interviewed on a partucular date. Many national polls, meaning UK wide, do not factor in the SNP vote because it complicates things, but the most up to date poll that I can find is one published by TechneUK two days ago and shows this LAB: 45% (+1) CON: 23% (-1) LDEM: 10% (-) REF: 10% (+1) GRN: 6% (-1) I am no expert on Scottish politics, but one of the biggest rows which appeared in the media in recent times was over the issue of Transgender identity, which caused feelings to run very high. Also, correct me if wrong, but it appears to me that the support for the SNP has always been higher than the support for independence, in other words a lot of people seemingly vote SNP, but would vote against independence. Maybe a lot of Scottish voters want a political party which speaks up for Scotland, but not necessarily to go as far as separation from the UK. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 4, 2024 13:33:56 GMT
dont tempt fate fair. We haven't suffered a starmer government so far. Did you see the repulsive Chris Bryant moaning about lack of trust in politics , while 5 minutes earlier trying to defend starmer on his u turn on the house of lords? LMFAO. Supporters of a man who has broken every single pledge he was elected leader on moaning about lack of trust. FFS. Agree tom, Chris Bryant is one of the most grubbiest MPs in politics, he's a odious arrogant self serving little pipsqueak, who I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw the tw@, typical of your Labour lefties, he absolutely want the UK to fail under Brexit, and make no odds about it when and if Labour get to power their first and foremost agenda is to sabotage Brexit, and tie us back to their apron strings of the EU. He seems right and if we are tied back to That's would be what the voting people wanted |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 4, 2024 13:42:35 GMT
I've posted a Reply can you know show me Where the Country benifiTed from Brexit |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 4, 2024 13:52:15 GMT
I've posted a Reply can you know show me Where the Country benifiTed from Brexit Don't be ridiculous, a reply from copy and paste from a lefty remoaner source doesn't constitute a reply, try using your own nouse to respond, well actually we know why you copy and paste because you can't think for yourself, someone has to do it for you, another lefty trait, you obediently follow like sheep ... bah bah bah |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 4, 2024 14:05:35 GMT
I've posted a Reply can you know show me Where the Country benifiTed from Brexit Don't be ridiculous, a reply from copy and paste from a lefty remoaner source doesn't constitute a reply, try using your own nouse to respond, well actually we know why you copy and paste because you can't think for yourself, someone has to do it for you, another lefty trait, you obediently follow like sheep ... bah bah bah What do you mean a reply from a lefty remoner source I posted 3 separate replys Plus a official Government source on the Trade Deficit. Going up Also I copy and paste because I don't think people's personal opinion counts to.much without something to backing it up. Anyway it's your Chance to show where the Country benefits from Brexit. I'm waiting |
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Post by thomas on Feb 4, 2024 14:11:22 GMT
The polls look to be reasonably accurate as things stand. Labour are on recently around 40 % on a 50 % turnout. That is a damning verdict on labour after 14 years , and 17 years , of tory and snp governments respectively. Around a fifth of the uk electorate support them , similar to 2019. Blair and labour were polling much higher in the run up to the 97 election. If I recall Blair at times was in the 50 % range , which dropped over ten points come election time. The point is being made starmers figures look good on a low turnout. If people get motivated to go out and vote , and im sure that is going to happen , labour could have problems. The snp are predicted to take tory seats , and lose seats to labour. Labour couldnt actually do any worse than they currently sit could they though? how do you mean ? The issue with the current snp is the lack of any movement on the independence situation. what culture wars are you talking about? Perhaps you might explain to me how you predict a Labour vote of around 40% based on a 50% turnout ? Opinion Polls do not base their findings on any given, or particulat turnout, they are a sample vote, a snapshot of a given number of people interviewed on a partucular date. Many national polls, meaning UK wide, do not factor in the SNP vote because it complicates things, but the most up to date poll that I can find is one published by TechneUK two days ago and shows this LAB: 45% (+1) CON: 23% (-1) LDEM: 10% (-) REF: 10% (+1) GRN: 6% (-1) I am no expert on Scottish politics, but one of the biggest rows which appeared in the media in recent times was over the issue of Transgender identity, which caused feelings to run very high. Also, correct me if wrong, but it appears to me that the support for the SNP has always been higher than the support for independence, in other words a lot of people seemingly vote SNP, but would vote against independence. Maybe a lot of Scottish voters want a political party which speaks up for Scotland, but not necessarily to go as far as separation from the UK. The average predicted turnout for the next uk general election as a polling average over the last few months has been around 50 % . Polling guru John curtice mentioned it recently....... www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/18/low-general-election-turnout-likely-with-dull-as-dishwater-sunak-and-starmer Thats correct. You claimed though this was an snp culture war problem , how so? The entire Labour Party supported gender reform , and voted for it in scotland. Some tories did too. Keir starmer is supporting gender reform in England , if he wins power , but is trying to keep quiet about it. so how can you earlier say the snp are going to lose seats to labour if you are now saying you have no data to back this up? you have that wrong. It's the other way around. Currently support for indy is 50% plus , while support for the snp is around 36% . There are numerous indy parties in scotland , most famous being snp alba and greens , and many smaller , with supports of labour also supporting scot indy , and some liberals and even a few tories. former forum members on here jaydee was a scot conservative and indy supporter. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 4, 2024 14:19:28 GMT
Don't be ridiculous, a reply from copy and paste from a lefty remoaner source doesn't constitute a reply, try using your own nouse to respond, well actually we know why you copy and paste because you can't think for yourself, someone has to do it for you, another lefty trait, you obediently follow like sheep ... bah bah bah What do you mean a reply from a lefty remoner source I posted 3 separate replys Plus a official Government source on the Trade Deficit. Going up Also I copy and paste because I don't think people's personal opinion counts to.much without something to backing it up. Anyway it's your Chance to show where the Country benefits from Brexit. I'm waiting in daily forex - this is more than one third of worldwide trades. That is more than the next three largest centres - New York, Singapore, and Hong Kong - combined. New York: $1.9tn Singapore: $930bn Hong Kong: $690bn
The UK’s financial hub has an international outlook and is open to talent, investment and collaboration from across the world - which means we understand you and your business needs. London is the world’s most international and connected financial centre, providing unrivalled access to global markets. It is a magnet for workers from around the world, who make up a diverse pool of financial and professional services specialists, with deep human linkages to virtually every economy globally. More than 300 languages are spoken daily.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 4, 2024 14:35:28 GMT
es sure what about one of the Bread and butter of British Industry Farmers Lisa O'Carroll Brexit correspondent @lisaocarroll Thu 29 Dec 2022 08.00 EST Loss of the common agricultural policy (CAP), and has been disadvantaged by trade deals giving access to the UK market to rival farmers from Australia and New Zealand. “From a sheep farmer’s point of view, there’s no good outcome from those trade deals,” says Rickman. On the fourth anniversary of Brexit last Wednesday, the business and trade secretary, Kemi Badenoch, trumpeted its successes. “The British people’s conviction that the UK would excel as masters of our own fate has paid dividends,” she said, launching a report detailing the benefits. The trade deficit with all countries increased to £5.9 billion in the three months to November 2023 compared with the previous three months. Exports decreased by 1.3% and imports decreased by 1.1% in cash terms over this period.12 Jan 2024 commonslibrary.parliament.uk › ... Trade: Key Economic Indicators - The House of Commons Library Among the top achievements listed were booming sales of honey to Saudi Arabia, surging pet food exports to India, a rush of UK pork, worth £18m over five years, heading into Mexico’s restaurants and homes, and UK beauty products sales leaping in China, thanks to barriers being smashed. James Tapper and Toby Helm, Political Editor Sun 4 Feb 2024 01.00 EST But her triumphalist tone, and many of the assertions in the Department for Business and Trade’s (DBT) Brexit 4th Anniversary document, did not quite ring true with the industries cited. “I don’t know any of our members who export any great amounts [to Saudi Arabia],” said Paul Barton of the Bee Farmers Association, which represents professional beekeepers in the UK. “Speaking from the industry, we’ve not had any assistance from the government in exploiting [the Saudi Arabian] market, getting access into that market. So I don’t know where their increases come from So the reality is the trade deals are no.real benefits to industry and left the Country in More dept. It's good to see Chinese girls loving British beauty products. It's a mark of friendship, and the consumer there is very fickle. Chinese consumers can make or break commercial enterprises depending on how they view you. Something seems to be gradually working out between Britain and China, so long may it continue. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 4, 2024 14:37:14 GMT
What do you mean a reply from a lefty remoner source I posted 3 separate replys Plus a official Government source on the Trade Deficit. Going up Also I copy and paste because I don't think people's personal opinion counts to.much without something to backing it up. Anyway it's your Chance to show where the Country benefits from Brexit. I'm waiting in daily forex - this is more than one third of worldwide trades. That is more than the next three largest centres - New York, Singapore, and Hong Kong - combined. New York: $1.9tn Singapore: $930bn Hong Kong: $690bn
The UK’s financial hub has an international outlook and is open to talent, investment and collaboration from across the world - which means we understand you and your business needs. London is the world’s most international and connected financial centre, providing unrivalled access to global markets. It is a magnet for workers from around the world, who make up a diverse pool of financial and professional services specialists, with deep human linkages to virtually every economy globally. More than 300 languages are spoken daily.
Her listed-... The surprise fall that shows just how much trouble the London Stock London stock market floats plunge to six-year low A growing number of companies are ditching Britain in favour of New York listings Alexa Phillips, MONEY REPORTER and Michael Bow 11 December 2023 • 7:00am Why the UK’s Stock Market Lost Three-Quarters of Its Activity Analysis by Swetha Gopinath and Michael Msika | Bloomberg June 2, 2023 at 7:44 a.m. EDT Murder on the City Express – Who is Killing the London Stock Exchange’s Equity Market? Posted by Brian R. Cheffins and Bobby V. Reddy (University of Cambridge) , on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 Your Single unnamed source disease add up I let me point out none Blane Brexit But Certainly do point out a Down fall post Brexit what conditsh your post |
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