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Post by Dogburger on Jan 31, 2024 19:46:33 GMT
The rise of right wing anti migrant parties across Europe is proof of that . MEP elections this June will confirm the objection to governments immigration policy In Germany all the Old Gang parties are having kittens about AfD's recently announced 'Remigration' policy hoping against hope it doesn't gain traction with the public as a whole, especially with state elections looming. I expect Poland , Bulgaria ,Holland ,Hungary , Greece , Italy ,France ,Denmark ,Finland ,Sweden ,Belgium and Germany to return a majority of Nationalist right leaning MEP's . It could even be touch and go if they have the majority in the EU Parliament which will be at odds with the legislators of the Commission . |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 31, 2024 20:22:48 GMT
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 1, 2024 2:24:49 GMT
Rubbish. The population projections were wrong because we allowed six million EU nationals to come to the UK under Freedom of Movement... and last time I checked they are (a) white (b) from Christian cultures. This is easily confirmed by anybody that bothers to look a population graph, as you can clearly see the effect of FOM. A large proportion of the current immigrates are students (and their families), of which 85% will leave again once their education is complete. The numbers coming by boats are tiny in comparison to (a) EU nationals (b) foreign Uni students. By the way, if a EU national has a child in the UK they are classed as white British because we don't break down white people into ethnic groups (apart from travelers). According to the 2021 census the EU national population is 3.6 million, not six million.
As for students leaving on completion of their courses every foreign student is now allowed to stay for two years after graduating, no questions asked. If they take up employment they are entitled to apply for a further five year stay as a skilled worker and after that can apply for permanent settlement.
And of course official statistics do distinguish between different ethnic groups; there are currently five such groups: white British, Irish, Gypsy or Irish Traveller, Roma and white Other. The last group includes EU nationals as well as other white including North American and Old Commonwealth.
5.6 million were granted settled status. Like I said (at least) 6 million were in the country at the time of the Brexit vote. I probably could have made a case for 7-8 million as many went back home because of Brexit, but I was being conversative on my estimate. Like I also said, there were two kinds of people... people who experienced first hand the absolute flood of cheap EU labour... and those that didn't... so were blissfully unaware just how many had come into the country. Their kids will be white British... because they are white... and born in Britain.. so they are British. Now I think about it why don't they have a White Polish category as they are one of the largest ethnic groups??? |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 1, 2024 6:51:38 GMT
Their kids will be white British... because they are white... and born in Britain.. so they are British. Now I think about it why don't they have a White Polish category as they are one of the largest ethnic groups??? Pendant alert ............. Polish isn't an ethnicity its a Nationality . Poland is part of the Slavic ethnic area western sub division which also includes Czechs ,Slovaks ,Pomeranians ,Sorbs and Silesians which would include some people from southern Germany . |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 1, 2024 10:18:04 GMT
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 2, 2024 3:25:41 GMT
That is not a fact though is it. They do not count EU nationals leaving the country... so nobody has a clue. Don't forget, for years they told us only 20,000 would come, then they said ok that was wrong, two million came... then SIX MILLION of them apply to stay lol. Maybe one million of them didn't fill out the form (a) didn't know they had to (b) couldn't read english (c) didn't see the point as they thought they might return home etc etc. It doesn't really change my point though, the biggest cause of the population spike was Freedom of Movement, yet for various political reasons we conveniently ignore that fact. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 2, 2024 8:50:53 GMT
They didn't count the EU nationals leaving the country between 2016 and 2021 but they did count the number still remaining, which is essentially the same thing. Unless that is course you are claiming that large numbers evaded the census something for which you need to provide proof rather than simply speculation.
As for the 'biggest cause of the population spike' you are ignoring the fact that three-quarters of the population which is of post-war migration background is, again per the census, of non-European origin.
That doesn't seem to get you quite as excited though as the outcome of FoM even though non-EU immigration was 100% under the control of successive UK governments going back to the late 1940s. And even FoM could have been mitigated if governments post-2004 had made necessary changes to the benefits system and labour market regulation as well as used the powers available to them under the directives to refuse residence to EU nationals who were unqualified exercise their 'treaty rights'. Like the several hundred Roma who simply turned up and were able to stay without any official interference.
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 2, 2024 13:39:58 GMT
Dan, the benefits system was amended several years ago, so that EU citizens had to have worker status (which includes those who retain worker status such as maternity leave, made redundant, temporarily sick etc.). This then excluded EU citizens from entitlement to benefits whilst seeking work. I'm not in the office to check the date, but otoh I'd say 2014.
Edit: we also had the right to remove EU citizens who didn't qualify, but this wasn't done. This wasn't the EU fault, but rather a choice made by UK governments.
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Post by borchester on Feb 2, 2024 13:47:43 GMT
Dan, the benefits system was amended several years ago, so that EU citizens had to have worker status (which includes those who retain worker status such as maternity leave, made redundant, temporarily sick etc.). This then excluded EU citizens from entitlement to benefits whilst seeking work. I'm not in the office to check the date, but otoh I'd say 2014. Edit: we also had the right to remove EU citizens who didn't qualify, but this wasn't done. This wasn't the EU fault, but rather a choice made by UK governments. Exactly.
Remainers hate the UK, which is why they are so keen to betray it to the EU. So the simple solution is to deport all such traitors to somewhere that is not the UK, which would reduce our population by tens of millions and leave plenty of room for immigrants who are ready to work
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 2, 2024 14:05:42 GMT
They didn't count the EU nationals leaving the country between 2016 and 2021 but they did count the number still remaining, which is essentially the same thing. Unless that is course you are claiming that large numbers evaded the census something for which you need to provide proof rather than simply speculation. As for the 'biggest cause of the population spike' you are ignoring the fact that three-quarters of the population which is of post-war migration background is, again per the census, of non-European origin. That doesn't seem to get you quite as excited though as the outcome of FoM even though non-EU immigration was 100% under the control of successive UK governments going back to the late 1940s. And even FoM could have been mitigated if governments post-2004 had made necessary changes to the benefits system and labour market regulation as well as used the powers available to them under the directives to refuse residence to EU nationals who were unqualified exercise their 'treaty rights'. Like the several hundred Roma who simply turned up and were able to stay without any official interference. You are missing the point. The South Asian immigrants were PLANNED and them having children was accounted for. The OP is about our population being way over projection. Whether they had control over FOM or not, they didn't exercise any control and 6 million + EU nationals flooded into the country, which is why our population is way above the projections. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 2, 2024 16:47:07 GMT
PLANNED by whom? And when?
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 3, 2024 2:55:15 GMT
PLANNED by whom? And when? lol did they not teach history in your school? There was this little event called World War II in which millions of men died, which led to huge labour shortages. The South Asians from our former colonies were allowed to come here to work. So YES, it was PLANNED immigration. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 3, 2024 9:54:01 GMT
Millions of men did not die in World War II, at least not British ones. And British subjects were 'always' permitted to settle in the UK, an entitlement that was codified in the British Nationality Act 1948. And the government did not encourage South Asians or anyone else to come to work in the UK, the truth of the matter is that they could not prevent them owing to the BNA48. In fact in the the aftermath of the war the Labour government declined to turn to the colonies to resolve the labour shortage, they admitted a quarter million Eastern Europeans instead. I don't know what they taught in your school but if the ahistorical claptrap you are spouting here is any guide it was complete rubbish. Here, educate yourself:
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 3, 2024 16:45:52 GMT
From Migration Watch, by way of illustration of what a continuing net migration of 600,000 will mean, Professor (emeritus) David Coleman at Oxford University has put together the table below of projected population totals for the UK given net migration of 600k from 2021 onwards.
2021 - 67.3 million
2026 - 70.0 "
2031 - 73.1 "
2036 - 76.3 "
2041 - 79.7 "
2046 - 83.2 "
2051 - 86.7 "
2056 - 89.9 "
2061 - 93.2 "
2066 - 96.6 "
2071 - 100.2 "
2076 - 103.9 "
2081 - 107.5 "
2086 - 110.8 "
2091 - 113.8 "
It is worth repeating that the steady increase in the population and its future overall size is driven by immigration which now constitutes over 90% of population growth. But most shocking for us is that this is all happening without the consent of the people it affects most – the British people.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 3, 2024 16:51:11 GMT
Millions of men did not die in World War II, at least not British ones. And British subjects were 'always' permitted to settle in the UK, an entitlement that was codified in the British Nationality Act 1948. And the government did not encourage South Asians or anyone else to come to work in the UK, the truth of the matter is that they could not prevent them owing to the BNA48. In fact in the the aftermath of the war the Labour government declined to turn to the colonies to resolve the labour shortage, they admitted a quarter million Eastern Europeans instead. I don't know what they taught in your school but if the ahistorical claptrap you are spouting here is any guide it was complete rubbish. Here, educate yourself:
No one today can say Enoch Powell was wrong. In fact, the only thing he got wrong is that even he never predicted it would get this bad. |
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