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Post by dodgydave on Jan 31, 2024 3:19:57 GMT
Indeed. And let's not forget that many of those imports do not share our, or our governments, values. Let's not forget many of them come in After Brexit Rubbish. The population projections were wrong because we allowed six million EU nationals to come to the UK under Freedom of Movement... and last time I checked they are (a) white (b) from Christian cultures. This is easily confirmed by anybody that bothers to look a population graph, as you can clearly see the effect of FOM. A large proportion of the current immigrates are students (and their families), of which 85% will leave again once their education is complete. The numbers coming by boats are tiny in comparison to (a) EU nationals (b) foreign Uni students. By the way, if a EU national has a child in the UK they are classed as white British because we don't break down white people into ethnic groups (apart from travelers). |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 31, 2024 4:04:22 GMT
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Post by sheepy on Jan 31, 2024 7:33:37 GMT
Why is this a big problem? the infrastructure was put in place, the NHS was well prepared, while homes were built for them, Industry is booming, and new industry is always coming online to create jobs for them. As they are highly educated speak several languages so you cannot expect them to fix potholes. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 31, 2024 8:00:22 GMT
13.7m migrants is more the combined population of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland, with enough people left over to fill an extra Wales. Who voted for this?  |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 31, 2024 10:00:06 GMT
Rubbish. The population projections were wrong because we allowed six million EU nationals to come to the UK under Freedom of Movement... and last time I checked they are (a) white (b) from Christian cultures. This is easily confirmed by anybody that bothers to look a population graph, as you can clearly see the effect of FOM. A large proportion of the current immigrates are students (and their families), of which 85% will leave again once their education is complete. The numbers coming by boats are tiny in comparison to (a) EU nationals (b) foreign Uni students. By the way, if a EU national has a child in the UK they are classed as white British because we don't break down white people into ethnic groups (apart from travelers). According to the 2021 census the EU national population is 3.6 million, not six million.
As for students leaving on completion of their courses every foreign student is now allowed to stay for two years after graduating, no questions asked. If they take up employment they are entitled to apply for a further five year stay as a skilled worker and after that can apply for permanent settlement.
And of course official statistics do distinguish between different ethnic groups; there are currently five such groups: white British, Irish, Gypsy or Irish Traveller, Roma and white Other. The last group includes EU nationals as well as other white including North American and Old Commonwealth.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 31, 2024 10:11:45 GMT
The official figures are dire enough, there's no need to be inventing others. But as you know Dan, official figures tend to play down or underestimate reality, particularly when it comes to immigration. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 31, 2024 10:20:18 GMT
That may or may not be true Red, but what is true is that restrictionists damage their case by relying on dodgy figures dreamed up more or less out of the blue and leave themselves open to easy attack by the immigration industry and its camp followers.
The official figures are plenty bad enough for our purposes.
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Post by vlk on Jan 31, 2024 14:06:39 GMT
Are there any statistics comparing the bir[h-rates of the indigenous population and those born overseas? However, the latter isn't as high as we often believe since the overall birth-rate keeps on declining.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 31, 2024 16:46:02 GMT
Are there any statistics comparing the bir[h-rates of the indigenous population and those born overseas? However, the latter isn't as high as we often believe since the overall birth-rate keeps on declining. There are none that are easily accessible. It's almost as if the PTB don't want the public to know. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 31, 2024 16:51:00 GMT
It's going to be interesting for future governments. They can either have Net Zero or a functioning benefits system or an increasing population. And they can only pick one. I wonder which it shall be? It is certainly going to be an interesting decision. I think what we will find is that the post WW2 liberal welfare state model that was introduced throughout Europe turns out to be a blip in history. It was eventually going to become unaffordable anyway due to the stagnation in growth across Europe, but it's demise has certainly been hastened by the massive importation of people all wanting a slice of the pie (a pie they have not paid into). we are hearing the same argument from an increasing amount of European countries . Didnt I see that Alice Weidel of the German AFD stated that 60 % of families claiming German benefits are non German passport holders. She stated this is unsustainable. Population explosion is of course as many have stated the large elephant in the room for the climate alarmists and net zero zealots. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 31, 2024 16:54:04 GMT
I only mention the Brexit connection since part of the USP was that leaving the EU would result in a decrease in the numbers arriving,
Quite obviously all that happened with the end of the EU freedom of movement is we got an ever increasing freedom of movement with the third world to maintain the mass immigration . Im not sure what the answer is , but I can see an angry European population backlashing in many countries , and I include scotland and England in that . |
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Post by Dogburger on Jan 31, 2024 17:35:37 GMT
Are there any statistics comparing the bir[h-rates of the indigenous population and those born overseas? However, the latter isn't as high as we often believe since the overall birth-rate keeps on declining. ONS reports 30.3% of live births are to non UK born women (2022) .The Non UK born population is about 14% (men and women) So you could say they are doing more than their fair share in population increase |
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Post by Dogburger on Jan 31, 2024 17:41:18 GMT
I only mention the Brexit connection since part of the USP was that leaving the EU would result in a decrease in the numbers arriving,
Quite obviously all that happened with the end of the EU freedom of movement is we got an ever increasing freedom of movement with the third world to maintain the mass immigration . Im not sure what the answer is , but I can see an angry European population backlashing in many countries , and I include scotland and England in that . The rise of right wing anti migrant parties across Europe is proof of that . MEP elections this June will confirm the objection to governments immigration policy |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 31, 2024 18:46:03 GMT
I can see why the Westminster party are struggling to fill a village hall, it had to come eventually, that everybody would be sick and tired of their pantomime.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 31, 2024 18:57:30 GMT
Quite obviously all that happened with the end of the EU freedom of movement is we got an ever increasing freedom of movement with the third world to maintain the mass immigration . Im not sure what the answer is , but I can see an angry European population backlashing in many countries , and I include scotland and England in that . The rise of right wing anti migrant parties across Europe is proof of that . MEP elections this June will confirm the objection to governments immigration policy In Germany all the Old Gang parties are having kittens about AfD's recently announced 'Remigration' policy hoping against hope it doesn't gain traction with the public as a whole, especially with state elections looming. |
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