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Post by jonksy on Apr 3, 2024 10:39:20 GMT
Snippets from it … have you? What were your highlights? I got the impression it was largely a flanneling exercise designed to gather in data …. make the best of it disappear … and give the impression the Military were interested in Disclosure …. … they weren’t. The impression I got from reading it was that Area 51, where Lockheed tested the U2, the A12, the YF-12,the D21 drone and the M21 Mothership, and of course the SR-71 Blackbird, was the top cause of UFO reports. Also Northrop's flying wing projects. A UFO can be anything from a Chinese Lantern to a top secret spyplane. It doesn't automatically mean a spacecraft from another planet. There is no evidence that the vast distances can be crossed so rapidly. The faster you go, the more damage an object would do if you collided with it.A collision with a 0.01 gramme speck of space debris, whilst going at half the speed of light (335,308,315mph), would be enough to turn a spaceship into a decompressed fast moving coffin (force equals mass x acceleration). And to cross the distances at the speeds you're talking about requires going a lot faster. The energy requirements to reach such speeds would be phenomenal.
The energy requirements to slow down from such speeds would be equally high.All the youtube videos in the world cannot alter the realities of the laws of physics and the insurmountable hurdles. The first US stealth bomber......The result was the F-117A, the world's first operational stealth aircraft. The first F-117A flew on June 18, 1981, and the first F-117A unit, the 4450th Tactical Group (renamed the 37th Tactical Fighter Wing in October 1989), achieved initial operating capability in October 1983. It was used in GW2
It carried eighty 500-pound class (230 kg) bombs and had a top speed of only 630 MPH. On GW2 it took 48 hourse for a-F117A mission lanched from their base in the USA and had a range of I6000 nautical miles before refueling. So two mid air refuelings were required per mission to the Gulf...
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Post by Vinny on Apr 3, 2024 10:47:18 GMT
That's a Northrop B2 Spirit, not an F117A. This is an F117A:  A development of the earlier Have Blue 'Hopeless Diamond' designed by the Lockheed Skunkworks and test flown at Area 51.   Other aircraft tested there included Northrop's Tacit Blue:  And the Boeing "Bird of Prey".
They have a sci fi look about them.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 3, 2024 10:50:03 GMT
That's a Northrop B2 Spirit, not an F117A. This is an F117A: A development of the earlier Have Blue 'Hopeless Diamond' designed by the Lockheed Skunkworks and test flown at Area 51. Other aircraft tested there included Northrop's Tacit Blue: And the Boeing "Bird of Prey".
They have a sci fi look about them.
Yes sorry about that Vinny I have had problems with onedrive and it has muddled all my pics up... |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 3, 2024 11:15:03 GMT
They are not silent, they cannot cruise at very low speed, then instantly accelerate over horizon. … totally the wrong propulsion system.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 3, 2024 11:32:57 GMT
More communications the SETI Institute is choosing to ignore:
The mathematics and geometric language is universal … but they are ‘deaf’ to these signs.
Maybe it is time tax-payers had a vote where we should spend the BULK of our SETI funding? … Investigations in our own backyard gets my vote.
… We have the ‘cheese’ … planet Earth …. It’s not so hard to catch this ‘mouse’ …. if we have a radical clean-out of Authority and Deep State corruption.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 3, 2024 11:43:40 GMT
Do you really think that Gilbert the Alien would travel millions of miles across the universe just to rock up to a farmers field one night, leave a crop circle and then go?  |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 3, 2024 11:48:54 GMT
Speculating how these complex patterns are so rapidly created … was revealed 2+ decades ago with an amazing bit of video film that captured 2 sMall UFO’s circling a cornfield. Note the Comments … Damage to the corn seems to show swollen stems and blow out effects:    I wonder if this can be replicated in a lab using focused micro-waves or lasers? |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 3, 2024 11:54:44 GMT
All you need to make a circle is a piece of rope, and a peg in the middle. Easiest after rainfall because everything is wet and therefore is softer.
 How do you think this was produced? This was man made. The tools used were rope pegs and wooden planks. Not difficult at all. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 3, 2024 12:25:19 GMT
Speculating how these complex patterns are so rapidly created … was revealed 2+ decades ago with an amazing bit of video film that captured 2 sMall UFO’s circling a cornfield. Note the Comments … Damage to the corn seems to show swollen stems and blow out effects: View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentI wonder if this can be replicated in a lab using focused micro-waves or lasers? Funny how none of those appeared during the pandemic whilst lockdown was the norm.... |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 3, 2024 12:34:32 GMT
This is an Arthur C. Clarke investigation … which mostly highlights the early days when circles were simple. … and observed to have been done by hoaxers and whirlwinds
…. but if you note the report around the 10 min mark … where a farmer was present very close by when a circle was made … and described his vehicle and headlights cutting out going down his farm track at night … (a common UFO phenomena), an electronic humming buzzing noise (another common UFO trait) … and tiny red sparks and electricity in the air(also part of some UFO reports) … the explanation of this being down to some electrostatic convection effect linked to a nearby hill together with wind …sounded a little flakey, tbh.
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 3, 2024 12:40:44 GMT
So Vinny … which part of the Arecibo Message is fantasy? … Why would Aliens announce their presence with crop circles?
Wouldn't it be easier to just land on the Whitehouse Lawn and reveal themselves to the world?This stuff just never gets anywhere, it is one giant circle jerk. History is full of civilisations that pretended they were in touch with the gods to trick their citizens and rivals... now they are doing it with Aliens. Our lives are full of deception eg *I've seen Father Christmas at the local shopping mall (eye witness account)... it doesn't make him fucking real though does it lol. I'm also not going to call out Scientists for refusing to go down my local shopping mall and investigate claims he is the real Father Christmas lol. *What a daft thing to bring up in such a discussion. Earth is a zoo of wild animals … a petri-dish cultured by highly advanced aliens millions of years ago ….. where even prehistoric creatures were hunted to extinction by humans To many aliens throughout history, making signs on the ground from the air (eg. the Nazca Lines) - has been a much safer way of communicating - from a distance! There are still a lot of poorly educated people who know little about alien visitors and their history. Fear, fascination, misdirection and ridicule has been whipped up by the MS Media for generations. It’s a pity you lap it all up like a pre-programmed obedient puppy-dog. Reports show many instances of Americans shooting down UFO’s, shooting at aliens, hunting these intelligent beings down, torturing them and killing them. I can’t believe you missed ALL these reports in the other thread? Believe me, a crop circle is an excellent safe way to communicate a simple intelligent reply to the Arecibo Message … which simple scientists can understand wasn’t created overnight by a farmer prankster with two planks of wood strapped to his wellington boots! On the ground these patterns are a web of confusion … if you are confused by reports of Father Xmas in shopping malls … go and have a lie down … and move to another thread. Britain used to be a country where very few people owned guns … and gun control was strict … America is very different. No sane alien would openly land on the White House lawn unannounced - have you seen their trigger happy security? Clearly you didn’t study the reports I dropped on my other thread of the alien shot by military police on a U.S. Airforce Base decades ago? … as reported by a retired military intelligence Major …. Which part of the word “Cover-up” don’t you understand? … the intimidation and murder of whistle-blowers is not a joke. … Landing on the WH lawn isn’t really in their interests …too Public. …. there are strong rumours within intelligence circles different aliens met Dwight D. Eisenhower at a U.S. Airforce base 3 times in the 50’s … so far unconfirmed. Military witnesses claim aliens have been working alongside U.S.Black Ops for decades. Hence the progress with anti-gravity reverse engineering. You missed the point. "Deception" is a fundamental human strategy for survival. Everybody lies. We lie to our children about the existence of Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy. As adults we lie to each other constantly for good and bad reasons. In a world of lies it is up to the INDIVIDUAL to decide what is fact and what is bullshit. I can can guarantee you I have watched as many videos, and read as many articles as you on this topic... yet in my opinion it is all bullshit. Seeing is not believing. I've watched hypnotists performing on stage, and I called bullshit on it. To me it was obvious that they were just playing along so they didn't spoil the act. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 3, 2024 12:43:21 GMT
Dub, that is not evidence, it's just some youtube vid.
Once again, massive massive distance in space.
Force of impact increases with the square of the velocity.
You hit so much as a grain of sand whilst your ship is doing half the speed of light and your ship is toast.
And the speeds necessary to cross the divide within a lifetime, never mind a few weeks, phenomenal.
You're up against the light speed barrier, laws regarding the conservation of energy.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, so in order to decelerate you need equal energy to what accelerated you, to slow you down, all in the form of a small craft, designed to go anywhere.
You haven't proven that it could be done.
You haven't provided any scientific proof.
On the basis of what I know about physics, and the lack of evidence put forward by you, I must conclude that your arguments are false.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 3, 2024 12:44:14 GMT
Funny how none of those appeared during the pandemic whilst lockdown was the norm.... Is that so? … can you show where you got that data from? … That sounds interesting … |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 3, 2024 13:01:12 GMT
Funny how none of those appeared during the pandemic whilst lockdown was the norm.... Is that so? … can you show where you got that data from? … That sounds interesting … You only have just the data from those who beleive in alien travel...Wiltshire which is the mecca for crop circles in the westcountry had no sightings of crop circles during the pandemic lockdowns. And what lets these so called ufologist down over crop circles is their bs about them appearing over night which is a total lie some of them take a week or more to produce. I travel to Wilshire many times during the year as I am a member of the Wilshire long distance shooting club so I get to meet many locals who could even give you the names of those who carry out these pranks. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 3, 2024 13:02:30 GMT
You missed the point. "Deception" is a fundamental human strategy for survival. Everybody lies. We lie to our children about the existence of Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy. As adults we lie to each other constantly for good and bad reasons. In a world of lies it is up to the INDIVIDUAL to decide what is fact and what is bullshit. I can can guarantee you I have watched as many videos, and read as many articles as you on this topic... yet in my opinion it is all bullshit. Seeing is not believing. I've watched hypnotists performing on stage, and I called bullshit on it. To me it was obvious that they were just playing along so they didn't spoil the act. I didn’t miss your point … you are inferring all these thousands of witnesses are lying … including career military whistleblowers who don’t think it is right that Deep State and Religion should be lying to The Public tax-payers … that pay their wages. When you are in a respectable job, … with a respectable pension … you don’t jeopardise it all telling lies like this … going out on a limb … facing immense ridicule … the likelihood of losing your job … being suspended. Stop joking about this … we have had enough of this Tooth Fairy crap! This is a serious security issue … if these nasty Deep State liars won’t take our security seriously … They must step aside now … Our Public collective/Leadership will be lobbied hard to remove them …. NOW!! ASAP. … they have engineered themselves as an acute danger to our International safety … not just on this issue. - a rogue state within the States. |
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