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Post by sandypine on Jan 24, 2024 20:28:33 GMT
Yes but what specific policies make them far right, does anyone know? Majoritarian populism? Anti-immigrant? German nationalism? National conservatism? I see you added a bit here. They are not anti immigrant they are anti poorly controlled immigration which I would have thought was not a far right policy of any sort. German Nationalism, is Nationalism far right? Most countries are Nationalist in outlook and those that aspire to Nationhood are overtly Nationalist like the Palestinians, The Irish, The Scots, etc. These are hardly far right unless you can point to a specific policy within German Nationalism that make then far right. National Conservatism, I am unclear what is far right about that as most peoples and ethnic group have that outlook as regards their own groups and once again there is no specific policy quoted to which that claim can be affixed. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 24, 2024 20:33:59 GMT
I did not say I disagreed, I asked what was it that made them far right. It is widely touted that they are so surely someone knows. You just seem to be repeating what you hear in the press and we know the press are not to be fully trusted to form an opinion for one. So, you want someone in the AfD to answer your question? Maybe, a member of the teams of German policemen and women who have described them as far-right will come on to answer your question. It will have to be one of those, if you're not prepared to accept newspaper accounts. I have read the manifesto and do not find anything in it that can be construed as a far right policy. Lots of people can be wrong however if one is to believe lots of people one should at least expect some information as to why they believe what they do. Are you prepared to accept newspaper accounts? Or are you prepared to accept them if they confirm what you would like something to be. So far we have not had a sniff of a far right policy but lots of accusations. Perhaps there is a lesson there. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 24, 2024 20:45:28 GMT
So, you want someone in the AfD to answer your question? Maybe, a member of the teams of German policemen and women who have described them as far-right will come on to answer your question. It will have to be one of those, if you're not prepared to accept newspaper accounts. I have read the manifesto and do not find anything in it that can be construed as a far right policy. Lots of people can be wrong however if one is to believe lots of people one should at least expect some information as to why they believe what they do. Are you prepared to accept newspaper accounts? Or are you prepared to accept them if they confirm what you would like something to be. So far we have not had a sniff of a far right policy but lots of accusations. Perhaps there is a lesson there. You know what? I'm tempted by your argument, but I think I'm gonna go with the German police, their former chairman, and just about every news outlet. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 24, 2024 20:55:13 GMT
So, you want someone in the AfD to answer your question? Maybe, a member of the teams of German policemen and women who have described them as far-right will come on to answer your question. It will have to be one of those, if you're not prepared to accept newspaper accounts. I have read the manifesto and do not find anything in it that can be construed as a far right policy. Lots of people can be wrong however if one is to believe lots of people one should at least expect some information as to why they believe what they do. Are you prepared to accept newspaper accounts? Or are you prepared to accept them if they confirm what you would like something to be. So far we have not had a sniff of a far right policy but lots of accusations. Perhaps there is a lesson there. He wants the AfD banned. Even though he's not German or a European citizen, he wants them banned. He doesn't know why exactly. He suspects they contradict his worldview. Some other people have called the AfD "far-right," so that's good enough for wormy to de-platform them and withdraw they democratic rights away from them them. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 24, 2024 20:59:00 GMT
I have read the manifesto and do not find anything in it that can be construed as a far right policy. Lots of people can be wrong however if one is to believe lots of people one should at least expect some information as to why they believe what they do. Are you prepared to accept newspaper accounts? Or are you prepared to accept them if they confirm what you would like something to be. So far we have not had a sniff of a far right policy but lots of accusations. Perhaps there is a lesson there. He wants the AfD banned. Even though he's not German or a European citizen, he wants them banned. He doesn't know why exactly. He suspects they contradict his worldview. Some other people have called the AfD "far-right," so that's good enough for wormy to de-platform them and withdraw they democratic rights away from them them. I'd like to know when the far-right became the bad guys. It seems a bit unfair. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 24, 2024 22:23:59 GMT
Cut out the rhetoric and answer the question - is abortion one of your 'fundamental rights' and who decided? LOL! Where did you get the bullshit notion that the question whether it's okay for a majority to make laws that would see it 'legitimately' kill or torture a minority hinges on whether abortion is right or wrong? It doesn't. Your concept of democracy, majoritarian populism, legitimises murder and torture where it is sanctioned by a majority. It is the opposite of the liberal democracy practised in most Western nations. You can ponder whether abortion is right or wrong yourself; it won't make the slightest bit of difference to those who believe that state murder and torture are wrong and undemocratic, even if a majority voted for it. So 'majority populism' is wrong because it isn't as good as 'Liberal democrats' who advocate ' fundamental rights' Now these ' fundamental rights' are not decided by a majority of the people, there is no list of these 'rights' and nobody can say who decides what these 'rights' are.. ..and you think that is democracy..  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 24, 2024 22:24:59 GMT
I have read the manifesto and do not find anything in it that can be construed as a far right policy. Lots of people can be wrong however if one is to believe lots of people one should at least expect some information as to why they believe what they do. Are you prepared to accept newspaper accounts? Or are you prepared to accept them if they confirm what you would like something to be. So far we have not had a sniff of a far right policy but lots of accusations. Perhaps there is a lesson there. He wants the AfD banned. Darling wants everyone banned who doesn't agree with him - he is a typical fascist. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 24, 2024 22:30:02 GMT
If they are called far right then they are far right …just as a heretic is a heretic when the zealots say they are .
Just call them far right , extreme right and mention Hitler , abracadabra.
That’s leftie cult .magic
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 24, 2024 22:45:03 GMT
LOL! Where did you get the bullshit notion that the question whether it's okay for a majority to make laws that would see it 'legitimately' kill or torture a minority hinges on whether abortion is right or wrong? It doesn't. Your concept of democracy, majoritarian populism, legitimises murder and torture where it is sanctioned by a majority. It is the opposite of the liberal democracy practised in most Western nations. You can ponder whether abortion is right or wrong yourself; it won't make the slightest bit of difference to those who believe that state murder and torture are wrong and undemocratic, even if a majority voted for it. So 'majority populism' is wrong because it isn't as good as 'Liberal democrats' who advocate ' fundamental rights' Now these ' fundamental rights' are not decided by a majority of the people, there is no list of these 'rights' and nobody can say who decides what these 'rights' are.. In January 2022, party leader Jörg Meuthen resigned his party chairmanship with immediate effect and left the AfD, as he came to acknowledge that the party had developed very far to the right with totalitarian traits and in large parts was no longer based on the liberal democratic basic order.[38][39]port ..and you think that is democracy.. Yeah. I think liberal democracy is democracy. You think majoritarian populism is democracy. Funny old world, isn't it, Doc? Who would have thought you'd support a racist nationalist party? There's nothing in your avatar or anywhere else to suggest you're a bigot. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 24, 2024 22:46:14 GMT
If they are called far right then they are far right …just as a heretic is a heretic when the zealots say they are . Just call them far right , extreme right and mention Hitler , abracadabra. That’s leftie cult .magic And abracadabra, The Daily Mail is now a lefty newspaper  |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 24, 2024 22:47:32 GMT
Darling wants everyone banned who doesn't agree with him - he is a typical fascist. Says someone who is concerned about the fate of a German far-right Nazi-wannabe party. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 24, 2024 22:49:26 GMT
If they are called far right then they are far right …just as a heretic is a heretic when the zealots say they are . Just call them far right , extreme right and mention Hitler , abracadabra. That’s leftie cult .magic And abracadabra, The Daily Mail is now a lefty newspaper The DM is whatever it needs to be to sell newspapers. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 24, 2024 22:50:36 GMT
And abracadabra, The Daily Mail is now a lefty newspaper The DM is whatever it needs to be to sell newspapers. Yeah, they're well known for their lefty views. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 24, 2024 22:50:47 GMT
Darling wants everyone banned who doesn't agree with him - he is a typical fascist. Says someone who is concerned about the fate of a German far-right Nazi-wannabe party. Thanks for confirming this ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/195806/thread |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 24, 2024 22:51:46 GMT
You a supporter of the Nazi-wannabes too, Bentley? |
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