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Post by Einhorn on Jan 29, 2024 17:56:07 GMT
No, but I have links to show that Putin is their puppet master. What are Putin's feelings about democracy? So we have one side (yours) demanding that in a democratic state legal political parties who you disagree with are banned - and the other side quite happy to allow the electorate to decide who represents them. And you think you are not on the side of the fascists? Mosley's British Union of Fascists was banned. I see no problem with banning anti-democratic fascists. You disagree. That's fine. Liberal democrats and majoritarian populists have never exactly seen eye to eye on this. Nothing to see here. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 29, 2024 18:01:20 GMT
So we have one side (yours) demanding that in a democratic state legal political parties who you disagree with are banned - and the other side quite happy to allow the electorate to decide who represents them. And you think you are not on the side of the fascists? Mosley's British Union of Fascists was banned. I see no problem with banning anti-democratic fascists. You disagree. That's fine. Liberal democrats and majoritarian populists have never exactly seen eye to eye on this. Nothing to see here. Wasn't that due to the outbreak of war with Nazi Germany? I see no reason , nor do I support , the banning of any political party in normal times. I said the same years ago during nick griffin and the bnps spell of popularity. If you can't stand under your flag and debate a party , no matter how loathsome , then surely that says more about the weakness of your arguments than the reprehensible views of theirs? Sorry , I just think it's dangerous ground. Dont agree with what you say but defend your right to say it and all that. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 29, 2024 18:08:58 GMT
Mosley's British Union of Fascists was banned. I see no problem with banning anti-democratic fascists. You disagree. That's fine. Liberal democrats and majoritarian populists have never exactly seen eye to eye on this. Nothing to see here. Wasn't that due to the outbreak of war with Nazi Germany? I see no reason , nor do I support , the banning of any political party in normal times. I said the same years ago during nick griffin and the bnps spell of popularity. If you can't stand under your flag and debate a party , no matter how loathsome , then surely that says more about the weakness of your arguments than the reprehensible views of theirs? Sorry , I just think it's dangerous ground. Dont agree with what you say but defend your right to say it and all that. It would be dangerous ground if a political party had power to ban the opposition. In Germany, it will have to be demonstrated that the AfD is a threat to liberal democracy to the satisfaction of the independent Constitutional court. The Constitutional court has set a high bar, with a previous attempt to ban a political party failing. I see no problem with that. And it probably isn't a stretch to say that Germany is fighting a proxy war with Putin, supplying Putin's enemies. So, comparisons with Mosley are arguably apt. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 29, 2024 18:09:08 GMT
Are the AfD wanting to ban opposition political parties? I stated in my first post on this thread that they will support banning the democratic opposition whilst still claiming they're for democracy. The EUphile Left are Orwellian nutjobs.
Absolutely.
Indeed many left wing totalitarian regimes even include the word "Democratic" in their titles.
It's a dead giveaway.
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 29, 2024 18:10:09 GMT
I stated in my first post on this thread that they will support banning the democratic opposition whilst still claiming they're for democracy. The EUphile Left are Orwellian nutjobs.
Absolutely.
Indeed many left wing totalitarian regimes even include the word "Democratic" in their titles.
It's a dead giveaway.
Orwell was on the left. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 29, 2024 18:12:42 GMT
So we have one side (yours) demanding that in a democratic state legal political parties who you disagree with are banned - and the other side quite happy to allow the electorate to decide who represents them. And you think you are not on the side of the fascists? Mosley's British Union of Fascists was banned. I see no problem with banning anti-democratic fascists. You disagree. That's fine. Liberal democrats and majoritarian populists have never exactly seen eye to eye on this. Nothing to see here. If you want to do exactly the same as Putin then feel free... ..but don't pretend that he is something that you are not. Just two cheeks of the same backside.. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 29, 2024 18:13:27 GMT
Wasn't that due to the outbreak of war with Nazi Germany? I see no reason , nor do I support , the banning of any political party in normal times. I said the same years ago during nick griffin and the bnps spell of popularity. If you can't stand under your flag and debate a party , no matter how loathsome , then surely that says more about the weakness of your arguments than the reprehensible views of theirs? Sorry , I just think it's dangerous ground. Dont agree with what you say but defend your right to say it and all that. It would be dangerous ground if a political party had power to ban the opposition. In Germany, it will have to be demonstrated that the AfD is a threat to liberal democracy to the satisfaction of the independent Constitutional court. The Constitutional court has set a high bar, with a previous attempt to ban a political party failing. I see no problem with that. And it probably isn't a stretch to say that Germany is fighting a proxy war with Putin, supplying Putin's enemies. So, comparisons with Mosley are arguably apt. Good . Let's hope the constitutional court sees sense . I think it is a stretch to say Germany fighting a proxy war as an American vassal state with Russia is comparable to the situation with Mosleys fascists and the situation in 1939 between Britain and Germany. Can you show me the link please between the AFD and Putin ? |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 29, 2024 18:14:41 GMT
Mosley's British Union of Fascists was banned. I see no problem with banning anti-democratic fascists. You disagree. That's fine. Liberal democrats and majoritarian populists have never exactly seen eye to eye on this. Nothing to see here. If you want to do exactly the same as Putin then feel free... ..but don't pretend that he is something that you are not. Just two cheeks of the same backside.. The Germans have the right to enforce their constitution. Their constitution doesn't allow the kind of party that their puppet master runs in Moscow. It is for their courts to decide whether the AfD is a threat to their constitution. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 29, 2024 18:15:23 GMT
It would be dangerous ground if a political party had power to ban the opposition. In Germany, it will have to be demonstrated that the AfD is a threat to liberal democracy to the satisfaction of the independent Constitutional court. The Constitutional court has set a high bar, with a previous attempt to ban a political party failing. I see no problem with that. And it probably isn't a stretch to say that Germany is fighting a proxy war with Putin, supplying Putin's enemies. So, comparisons with Mosley are arguably apt. Good . Let's hope the constitutional court sees sense . I think it is a stretch to say Germany fighting a proxy war as an American vassal state with Russia is comparable to the situation with Mosleys fascists and the situation in 1939 between Britain and Germany. Can you show me the link please between the AFD and Putin ? Google AfD, Putin, scumbags. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 29, 2024 18:20:57 GMT
Good . Let's hope the constitutional court sees sense . I think it is a stretch to say Germany fighting a proxy war as an American vassal state with Russia is comparable to the situation with Mosleys fascists and the situation in 1939 between Britain and Germany. Can you show me the link please between the AFD and Putin ? Google AfD, Putin, scumbags. briefly have done, and I can't see where you said Putin is their sponsor and puppet master. All I can see is the AFD ( and lets be fair here , ive come across others across europe the same) are asking for sanctions to be lifted on Russia. Many European nations are suffering because of the high energy prices and the United States demanding we stop using Russian gas and oil. Can you link me specifically to what you are talking about? |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 29, 2024 18:27:58 GMT
Google AfD, Putin, scumbags. briefly have done, and I can't see where you said Putin is their sponsor and puppet master. All I can see is the AFD ( and lets be fair here , ive come across others across europe the same) are asking for sanctions to be lifted on Russia. Many European nations are suffering because of the high energy prices and the United States demanding we stop using Russian gas and oil. Can you link me specifically to what you are talking about? Follow the links on this wiki page: Many parts of the Alternative for Germany (AfD), a far-right German political party, support Russia, its foreign policy, and its allies. For example, AfD members and activists were listed as keeping close ties with Russian politicians and receiving financial benefits in an OCCRP investigation of Russia's International Agency for Current Policy.[1] |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2024 18:30:00 GMT
Mosley's British Union of Fascists was banned. I see no problem with banning anti-democratic fascists. You disagree. That's fine. Liberal democrats and majoritarian populists have never exactly seen eye to eye on this. Nothing to see here. If you want to do exactly the same as Putin then feel free... ..but don't pretend that he is something that you are not. Just two cheeks of the same backside.. The SNP had ties to German Nazis back in day. They were plotting the outcome of our defeat. They're let off the hook because they claim to support Europe a Nation, which is now PeeCee. Oh, and the moment these people lose to democracy (referendums) they're out the next day to oppose the outcome. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 29, 2024 18:31:51 GMT
If you want to do exactly the same as Putin then feel free... ..but don't pretend that he is something that you are not. Just two cheeks of the same backside.. The SNP had ties to German Nazis back in day. They were plotting the outcome of our defeat. They're let off the hook because they claim to support Europe a Nation, which is now PeeCee. Oh, and the moment these people lose to democracy (referendums) they're out the next day to oppose the outcome. There was British and American support for Hitler until there wasn't. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 29, 2024 18:36:04 GMT
briefly have done, and I can't see where you said Putin is their sponsor and puppet master. All I can see is the AFD ( and lets be fair here , ive come across others across europe the same) are asking for sanctions to be lifted on Russia. Many European nations are suffering because of the high energy prices and the United States demanding we stop using Russian gas and oil. Can you link me specifically to what you are talking about? Follow the links on this wiki page: Many parts of the Alternative for Germany (AfD), a far-right German political party, support Russia, its foreign policy, and its allies. For example, AfD members and activists were listed as keeping close ties with Russian politicians and receiving financial benefits in an OCCRP investigation of Russia's International Agency for Current Policy.[1] I have done. So basically they received money from Russia allegedly , which is something that could be attributed to many political parties across Europe , including wee Ruthie Davidson of the Scottish tories , many English politicians and elsewhere. So far , nothing unusual. secondly they consider the war in Donbas an internal Ukrainian matter. So do I and millions of others. So far , nothing unusual or worth banning them for. we discussed the fact they reject yank imposed sanctions agains Russia . Yep . so do I and millions of others. blah blah. Nothing radical or unusual to see here. Have to say dyno. It smacks of trump is a Russian stooge/ Scottish independence is all the fault of Russia/ Brexit was influenced by Russia / (pick a bad man you dont like to slur and hope banned by screaming Russia bad) Very clintonesque I must say. Im convinced the AFD must not be banned. We just need a few loopy stories by Carole cadwalladr and we will have the full russian set. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 29, 2024 18:39:11 GMT
Follow the links on this wiki page: Many parts of the Alternative for Germany (AfD), a far-right German political party, support Russia, its foreign policy, and its allies. For example, AfD members and activists were listed as keeping close ties with Russian politicians and receiving financial benefits in an OCCRP investigation of Russia's International Agency for Current Policy.[1] I have done. So basically they received money from Russia allegedly , which is something that could be attributed to many political parties across Europe , including wee Ruthie Davidson of the Scottish tories , many English politicians and elsewhere. So far , nothing unusual. secondly they consider the war in Donbas an internal Ukrainian matter. So do I and millions of others. So far , nothing unusual or worth banning them for. we discussed the fact they reject yank imposed sanctions agains Russia . Yep . so do I and millions of others. blah blah. Nothing radical or unusual to see here. Have to say dyno. It smacks of trump is a Russian stooge/ Scottish independence is all the fault of Russia/ Brexit was influenced by Russia / (pick a bad man you dont like to slur and hope banned by screaming Russia bad) Very clintonesque I must say. Im convinced the AFD must not be banned. We just need a few loopy stories by Carole cadwalladr and we will have the full russian set. Yes, it is alleged. The AfD have the protection of the constitutional court. If they didn't do it, they've nothing to worry about. So, what's all the fuss about? I'm happy with the circumstantial evidence. I think it warrants the accusation of being Putin's stooges. You can take some solace from the fact that I'm not on the German constitutional court. No German political party is going to be banned without strong proof. |
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