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Post by Bentley on Jan 26, 2024 18:47:10 GMT
When China invaded Taiwan the same people who whine about people supporting Putin will just alter it to Xi.
I understand that world famous Nazi supporter Noam Chomsky is sympathetic to Putin .
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 27, 2024 5:25:52 GMT
That's democracy Darling. I know, a concept you struggle with. Can't understand how anyone could be so complacent about Far-Right shit raising its ugly head anywhere, but especially in Germany. It seems that people do not understand that there is no greater threat to democracy than either the Far-Left or Far-Right in politics. They do not seem to understand that both extremes are about power and control for the extremists over the rest. They are the most psychologically damaged politically motivated, who can see no further than there own extremist political NEEDS. i.e. I'm right and any one who disagrees with me is an extremist'. Until you start reflecting why parties like the AfD become so popular with the demos, instead of ignoring such viewpoints then you only encourage their growth. And even then, it is not arbitrarily up to you or anyone else to decide to remove them from politics because 'you just don't like their views'. That is anti-democratic. |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 27, 2024 9:26:43 GMT
I have forgotten as well, that either the Left is badly informed or just liars, when they were running around the internet calling everyone else liars who said illegal immigrants were being put up in hotels.
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2024 10:32:39 GMT
Can't understand how anyone could be so complacent about Far-Right shit raising its ugly head anywhere, but especially in Germany. It seems that people do not understand that there is no greater threat to democracy than either the Far-Left or Far-Right in politics. They do not seem to understand that both extremes are about power and control for the extremists over the rest. They are the most psychologically damaged politically motivated, who can see no further than there own extremist political NEEDS. i.e. I'm right and any one who disagrees with me is an extremist'. Until you start reflecting why parties like the AfD become so popular with the demos, instead of ignoring such viewpoints then you only encourage their growth. And even then, it is not arbitrarily up to you or anyone else to decide to remove them from politics because 'you just don't like their views'. That is anti-democratic. I don't doubt Goebbels had much the same to say about Hitler and his intentions, forgetting to mention the underlying extremism that he was about to unfold on the country and beyond. One of the reasons the far Right become popular is by convincing the people that their lies or insinuated lies are the truth, not unlike Trump is doing just about every time he opens his mouth. Not liking their views, is not undemocratic, it is sound commonsense in the knowledge that people like yourself need to be protected from their extremism and lies or their insinuated lies. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2024 10:35:58 GMT
I have forgotten as well, that either the Left is badly informed or just liars, when they were running around the internet calling everyone else liars who said illegal immigrants were being put up in hotels. That was a silly lie wasn't it. Can't believe many people did that. Though I could be wrong  |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 27, 2024 11:49:32 GMT
Until you start reflecting why parties like the AfD become so popular with the demos, instead of ignoring such viewpoints then you only encourage their growth. And even then, it is not arbitrarily up to you or anyone else to decide to remove them from politics because 'you just don't like their views'. That is anti-democratic. I don't doubt Goebbels had much the same to say about Hitler and his intentions, forgetting to mention the underlying extremism that he was about to unfold on the country and beyond. One of the reasons the far Right become popular is by convincing the people that their lies or insinuated lies are the truth, not unlike Trump is doing just about every time he opens his mouth. Not liking their views, is not undemocratic, it is sound commonsense in the knowledge that people like yourself need to be protected from their extremism and lies or their insinuated lies. Typical. Can you link any AfD policies that would even remotely attach themselves to the strawman of Adolf Hitler? Also, I don't need you to protect me from a certain point of view. You are not better than me. You don't get to arbitrarily decide who you can protect from your 'Nazi's under the bed' propoganda. You don't get to cancel them if their views are perfectly legal and come from a genuine point of concern. That is the very antithesis of democracy. Sorry, but that is fascist like. Something you made out you weren't when you idiotically generalised Conservatives supporters are. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 27, 2024 12:41:01 GMT
Their Ideology and policies on wiki don’t seem anything like extreme unless you are leftie
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2024 15:21:19 GMT
Their Ideology and policies on wiki don’t seem anything like extreme unless you are leftie True, it's quite clear that the AfD are not the German Nazi Party. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 28, 2024 8:47:26 GMT
There Mutiple bans on Far Right party's in Germany because it's seen has a fret to Democracy.
Germany’s Laws on Hate Speech, Nazi Propaganda & Holocaust Denial: An Explainer.
Authorities in Germany believe that fascist organizations could pose an existential threat, recalling how Hitler used the electoral system to gain influence until he had the power to abolish the country’s democracy entirely. “Right-wing extremism is the most vital threat that we face at the moment in the Federal Republic of Germany,” Stephan Kramer, chief of intelligence in the German state of Thuringia, said in Germany’s Neo-Nazis & the Far Right.
Below is an introduction to the key laws governing hate speech and Holocaust denial in Germany.
Section 130
Section 130 of the German criminal code criminalizes certain types of hate speech.
The law bans incitement to hatred and insults that assault human dignity against people based on their racial, national, religious or ethnic background. In post-World War II Germany, it has been used to prosecute racist and antisemitic threats and slurs, and it carries a sentence of up to five years in prison.
Section 130 did not always target racism and antisemitism. The law dates back to the creation of the German criminal code in 1871 and originally focused on incitement of class warfare as a response to the spread of Communism, Kahn said. Following a wave of scandals revealing the Nazi pasts of West German public officials in the 1950s, the law was amended to target neo-Nazi incitement.9
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Post by Vinny on Jan 28, 2024 9:16:02 GMT
So, whilst you hate the AFD you cannot name any of their policies or demonstrate them to be "far right", but you still want them banned? Could it be, that through irrational fear, you have become the very thing you sought to oppose?
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Post by thomas on Jan 28, 2024 10:39:49 GMT
There Mutiple bans on Far Right party's in Germany because it's seen has a fret to Democracy. Germany’s Laws on Hate Speech, Nazi Propaganda & Holocaust Denial: An Explainer. Authorities in Germany believe that fascist organizations could pose an existential threat, recalling how Hitler used the electoral system to gain influence until he had the power to abolish the country’s democracy entirely. “Right-wing extremism is the most vital threat that we face at the moment in the Federal Republic of Germany,” Stephan Kramer, chief of intelligence in the German state of Thuringia, said in Germany’s Neo-Nazis & the Far Right. Below is an introduction to the key laws governing hate speech and Holocaust denial in Germany. Section 130 Section 130 of the German criminal code criminalizes certain types of hate speech. The law bans incitement to hatred and insults that assault human dignity against people based on their racial, national, religious or ethnic background. In post-World War II Germany, it has been used to prosecute racist and antisemitic threats and slurs, and it carries a sentence of up to five years in prison. Section 130 did not always target racism and antisemitism. The law dates back to the creation of the German criminal code in 1871 and originally focused on incitement of class warfare as a response to the spread of Communism, Kahn said. Following a wave of scandals revealing the Nazi pasts of West German public officials in the 1950s, the law was amended to target neo-Nazi incitement.9 so is that what you want keir starmer to do here lefty? ban anyone and everyone who doesn't conform to the party view? |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 28, 2024 13:19:57 GMT
So, whilst you hate the AFD you cannot name any of their policies or demonstrate them to be "far right", but you still want them banned? Could it be, that through irrational fear, you have become the very thing you sought to oppose? It's not my job to look. Into AFD that was the job of the Courts in Germany and find them.and like I said the law a posted was one in many laws that date back to the 1950s. And you have a strange out.look.on Far right Groups you have the Same opinion on the Far right Group in France that was founded by the present leader father who built the political party on Racism.and Neo-Nazism and Holocaust denial. I admit the present leader has seen to. Quietion the Tone down of her fathers politics. But for how long if she ever won a election in France is anyone Guest. And I also.remember you and another poster bickering about neo -nazi Groups in the Ukraine/Russia conflict . At first I was on the Russian Side of the Argument. Until I looked into a independent news boardcaster Al Jazzera They Showne both sides were using Neo-Nazi Merliza Groups. SO from that point on.i never commented on that post . but you still want them banned? Could it be, that through irrational fear, I could say the Same thing with you wanting the FON Banned .I've posted elsewhere how you Focused on one case of a young Girl.Murderd by a Eu immigrant.you Constantly posted it .To drive irrational fear. Despite there being 100s of Thousands EU immigrants every month. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 28, 2024 13:23:44 GMT
There Mutiple bans on Far Right party's in Germany because it's seen has a fret to Democracy. Germany’s Laws on Hate Speech, Nazi Propaganda & Holocaust Denial: An Explainer. Authorities in Germany believe that fascist organizations could pose an existential threat, recalling how Hitler used the electoral system to gain influence until he had the power to abolish the country’s democracy entirely. “Right-wing extremism is the most vital threat that we face at the moment in the Federal Republic of Germany,” Stephan Kramer, chief of intelligence in the German state of Thuringia, said in Germany’s Neo-Nazis & the Far Right. Below is an introduction to the key laws governing hate speech and Holocaust denial in Germany. Section 130 Section 130 of the German criminal code criminalizes certain types of hate speech. The law bans incitement to hatred and insults that assault human dignity against people based on their racial, national, religious or ethnic background. In post-World War II Germany, it has been used to prosecute racist and antisemitic threats and slurs, and it carries a sentence of up to five years in prison. Section 130 did not always target racism and antisemitism. The law dates back to the creation of the German criminal code in 1871 and originally focused on incitement of class warfare as a response to the spread of Communism, Kahn said. Following a wave of scandals revealing the Nazi pasts of West German public officials in the 1950s, the law was amended to target neo-Nazi incitement.9 so is that what you want keir starmer to do here lefty? ban anyone and everyone who doesn't conform to the party view? Nire think that's you and Alber Group. You Support in Scotland who.Spilt from The SNP stance on Transsexuals. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 28, 2024 14:43:46 GMT
Regarding the AFD it's a matter for voters, not fascists.
Regarding Ukraine, yes, there were Nazis protesting and rioting in 2014. But Putin's murderous attacks take priority over the criticism of a fringe minority.
When Ukraine is liberated I'll share my views on their politicians just as I do regarding the arseholes of other countries, not least the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
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Post by thomas on Jan 28, 2024 14:58:09 GMT
so is that what you want keir starmer to do here lefty? ban anyone and everyone who doesn't conform to the party view? Nire think that's you and Alber Group. You Support in Scotland who.Spilt from The SNP stance on Transsexuals. sorry but I can't understand your post. I dont agree with the snp on gender reform , but your party labour wholeheartedly supported it in the Scottish parliament , and if you get into power in Westminster , starmer will bring a divisive gender reform policy in in your country. So what are you talking about , and what has this to do with the AFD? I dont support the banning of any political party in any country , if that helps , and will criticise the snp labour or anyone else and their supporters who want to ban parties simply because they dont agree with them. Which of course as we know would be typical of new labour. |
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