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Post by Totheleft on Jan 25, 2024 9:19:48 GMT
I don't agree with that at all . How do you jump to that conclusion? OK - lets start again. I said - the guy used a false identity to enter the UK you said - no mention of him using a false passport So as he lied about his age to claim asylum, whose passport was he using? Once again there nothing to say he lied about his age.the court concluded he was older . How they come to that we don't know But like I said my article said he was 16 when he was convicted of his Crime in his own country . Once again I've no idea how they got that information it's obviously something the home office would have known about if they did there proper investigation. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2024 9:24:13 GMT
You are trying to use one illegal immigrant as an argument to get rid of all controls.
It's not a valid argument.
Modern slavery was happening as a direct result of no controls on immigration from the EU.
Gangs were bringing people across as slaves. Google it, there were enough news articles at the time.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 27, 2024 10:10:25 GMT
You are trying to use one illegal immigrant as an argument to get rid of all controls. It's not a valid argument. Modern slavery was happening as a direct result of no controls on immigration from the EU. Gangs were bringing people across as slaves. Google it, there were enough news articles at the time. Are you trying to say that there no Sexton trafficking now. But I can tell you Some ting that didn't happen while we was in the EU. Since 2018, illegal immigrants (many of whom make a claim for asylum) have been attempting to enter the United Kingdom by crossing the English Channel in small boats, often using inflatable dinghies. We're Talking about Hundreds of Thousands Not a few Thousand or so involved in sex trafficking. So much so taking control of our Borders. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2024 10:22:31 GMT
Are you saying there's no gun crime because we have controls? Of course there are still problems but less problems than there would be without controls.
There is still slavery in the UK, but a lot less than there would be without controls.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 27, 2024 10:47:40 GMT
Are you saying there's no gun crime because we have controls? Of course there are still problems but less problems than there would be without controls. There is still slavery in the UK, but a lot less than there would be without controls. Yea but.more immigration and illegal immigration with Controls 😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2024 10:52:43 GMT
Nobody is against economic migrants coming here working and paying tax, or students coming here and paying.
And that's what most immigrants are.
As for the illegals, blame the EU and the Tories.
The Tories are the ones putting illegals up in hotels and the EU nations are the ones funneling illegals to the northern French coast.
It may have escaped your notice, but Nigel Farage is not Prime Minister.
And we could quite easily put illegal immigrants on the coldest wettest Scottish islands in tented refugee camps.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 28, 2024 0:20:45 GMT
Nobody is against economic migrants coming here working and paying tax, or students coming here and paying. And that's what most immigrants are. As for the illegals, blame the EU and the Tories. The Tories are the ones putting illegals up in hotels and the 6llegals to the northern French coast. It may have escaped your notice, but Nigel Farage is not Prime Minister. And we could quite easily put illegal immigrants on the coldest wettest Scottish islands in tented refugee camps. It Certainly hasn't escaped my Notice that Farage isn't PM . I've often mocked the fact that after five attempt of being in the HOC He failed . Same goes for any party he's repercented not one of there Canadates have been in HOC. EU funering llegals to the northern .French coast. Isn't that Down to Brexiters wHere the Fault lies? What are the agreements on irregular migration between France and the UK? There is a long history of UK–French cooperation over immigration controls at their shared borders. This has been formalised through a series of bilateral agreements, including the Sangatte Protocol (1991) and the Treaty of Le Touquet (2003). The latter allowed for France and the UK to carry out immigration controls in each other’s territories at seaports. In November 2016 post Brexit the Government forced the French To close through illegal immigration camps down what was near the port of Calais where Asylum seekers would jump Feright lorries And cross the Channel .This was insisted by the post Brexit Government. This was done despite the warnings from Asylum seekers agencies that this would move the Refuges to other unmanned costall areas and they Would seek Alternative Dangerous method to Cross the channel. This move encouraged the illegal trade of people Smuggling with the Asylum seekers paying vast amount of money up to £5000 Euros. That Vinny like it all not how the illegal trade in people Smuggling developed. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2024 0:41:00 GMT
It Certainly hasn't escaped my Notice that Farage isn't PM . I've often mocked the fact that after five attempt of being in the HOC He failed . Same goes for any party he's repercented not one of there Canadates have been in HOC. EU funering llegals to the northern .French coast. Isn't that Down to Brexiters wHere the Fault lies? What are the agreements on irregular migration between France and the UK? There is a long history of UK–French cooperation over immigration controls at their shared borders. This has been formalised through a series of bilateral agreements, including the Sangatte Protocol (1991) and the Treaty of Le Touquet (2003). The latter allowed for France and the UK to carry out immigration controls in each other’s territories at seaports. In November 2016 post Brexit the Government forced the French To close through illegal immigration camps down what was near the port of Calais where Asylum seekers would jump Feright lorries And cross the Channel .This was insisted by the post Brexit Government. This was done despite the warnings from Asylum seekers agencies that this would move the Refuges to other unmanned costall areas and they Would seek Alternative Dangerous method to Cross the channel. This move encouraged the illegal trade of people Smuggling with the Asylum seekers paying vast amount of money up to £5000 Euros. That Vinny like it all not how the illegal trade in people Smuggling developed. Charlie, you appear to be labouring under the left wing illusion that illegals have a right to enter the UK. You are wrong, although I accept that the casual observer would have to agree that anyone is allowed to walk into the UK. This is because the government and previous governments have been loathe to enforce UK and/or international law because the political class never wanted to leave the EU and they don't want to upset the EU. This is just another reason why Reform UK are gaining so much support, and it was always going to happen. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 28, 2024 1:17:12 GMT
It Certainly hasn't escaped my Notice that Farage isn't PM . I've often mocked the fact that after five attempt of being in the HOC He failed . Same goes for any party he's repercented not one of there Canadates have been in HOC. EU funering llegals to the northern .French coast. Isn't that Down to Brexiters wHere the Fault lies? What are the agreements on irregular migration between France and the UK? There is a long history of UK–French cooperation over immigration controls at their shared borders. This has been formalised through a series of bilateral agreements, including the Sangatte Protocol (1991) and the Treaty of Le Touquet (2003). The latter allowed for France and the UK to carry out immigration controls in each other’s territories at seaports. In November 2016 post Brexit the Government forced the French To close through illegal immigration camps down what was near the port of Calais where Asylum seekers would jump Feright lorries And cross the Channel .This was insisted by the post Brexit Government. This was done despite the warnings from Asylum seekers agencies that this would move the Refuges to other unmanned costall areas and they Would seek Alternative Dangerous method to Cross the channel. This move encouraged the illegal trade of people Smuggling with the Asylum seekers paying vast amount of money up to £5000 Euros. That Vinny like it all not how the illegal trade in people Smuggling developed. Charlie, you appear to be labouring under the left wing illusion that illegals have a right to enter the UK. You are wrong, although I accept that the casual observer would have to agree that anyone is allowed to walk into the UK. This is because the government and previous governments have been loathe to enforce UK and/or international law because the political class never wanted to leave the EU and they don't want to upset the EU. This is just another reason why Reform UK are gaining so much support, and it was always going to happen.You do know that by international law Asylum. Seekers can Apply for Asylum whatever Country they Choose no matter what Country they travel though and Britain Signed a pact to that Effect . So By legal law there no Such Thing has illegal. Immigrants in this Country. And to class such Asylum seekers as illegals it's totally against the law. Why do you think Asylum agencies have Lawers you to fight the Deportation of Asylum Seekers if it's not written in the Statue of laws |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2024 1:33:55 GMT
You do know that by international law Asylum. Seekers can Apply for Asylum whatever Country they Choose no matter what Country they travel though and Britain Signed a pact to that Effect . So By legal law there no Such Thing has illegal. Immigrants in this Country. And to class such Asylum seekers as illegals it's totally against the law. Why do you think Asylum agencies have Lawers you to fight the Deportation of Asylum Seekers if it's not written in the Statue of laws Charlie, you're talking left wing rubbish. No one has any right to walk into any sovereign country. It is entirely up to that country whether they accept anyone. In the case of the UK, which has a sea border, international law is quite unoquivocal. In fact it's embarrassing for the government. UN law clearly states that any country can, and I quote... ... prevent and punish infringement of its customs and immigration regulations within its territory or territorial seas. In other words, the UK has every right under international law to stop illegals entering UK territorial waters. The reason they don't is because the UK political elite refuse to upset the EU. Hence the rise of Reform UK. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 28, 2024 2:09:05 GMT
Albanian slavers and drug dealers can fuck off back to Albania.
And anyone who supports what they do can fuck with them.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 28, 2024 2:10:46 GMT
You do know that by international law Asylum. Seekers can Apply for Asylum whatever Country they Choose no matter what Country they travel though and Britain Signed a pact to that Effect . So By legal law there no Such Thing has illegal. Immigrants in this Country. And to class such Asylum seekers as illegals it's totally against the law. Why do you think Asylum agencies have Lawers you to fight the Deportation of Asylum Seekers if it's not written in the Statue of laws Charlie, you're talking left wing rubbish. No one has any right to walk into any sovereign country. It is entirely up to that country whether they accept anyone. In the case of the UK, which has a sea border, international law is quite unoquivocal. In fact it's embarrassing for the government. UN law clearly states that any country can, and I quote... ... prevent and punish infringement of its customs and immigration regulations within its territory or territorial seas. In other words, the UK has every right under international law to stop illegals entering UK territorial waters. The reason they don't is because the UK political elite refuse to upset the EU. Hence the rise of Reform UK. I would like you to Show me that law what your on about . And what about the laws that Lawers use to fight Deportation they must work with in that flame work.of the law .you understand that don't you. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 28, 2024 2:15:39 GMT
Albanian slavers and drug dealers can fuck off back to Albania. And anyone who supports what they do can fuck with them. Oh wait a minute arnt these Albanian Slavers and Drug pushers a product of So Called Brexit.boader Controls yep.they are . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2024 2:47:20 GMT
Charlie, you're talking left wing rubbish. No one has any right to walk into any sovereign country. It is entirely up to that country whether they accept anyone. In the case of the UK, which has a sea border, international law is quite unoquivocal. In fact it's embarrassing for the government. UN law clearly states that any country can, and I quote... ... prevent and punish infringement of its customs and immigration regulations within its territory or territorial seas. In other words, the UK has every right under international law to stop illegals entering UK territorial waters. The reason they don't is because the UK political elite refuse to upset the EU. Hence the rise of Reform UK. I would like you to Show me that law what your on about . And what about the laws that Lawers use to fight Deportation they must work with in that flame work.of the law .you understand that don't you. If you click on the link and scroll down you will find... SECTION 4. CONTIGUOUS ZONE Article 33 Contiguous zone 1. In a zone contiguous to its territorial sea, described as the contiguous zone, the coastal State may exercise the control necessary to: (a) prevent infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea;
(b) punish infringement of the above laws and regulation committed within its territory or territorial sea. 2. The contiguous zone may not extend beyond 24 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured. That's called international law that left wing human rights lawyers and pro EU politicians, tend to ignore. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 28, 2024 8:02:24 GMT
Nobody is against economic migrants coming here working and paying tax, or students coming here and paying. And that's what most immigrants are. As for the illegals, blame the EU and the Tories. The Tories are the ones putting illegals up in hotels and the 6llegals to the northern French coast. It may have escaped your notice, but Nigel Farage is not Prime Minister. And we could quite easily put illegal immigrants on the coldest wettest Scottish islands in tented refugee camps. It Certainly hasn't escaped my Notice that Farage isn't PM . I've often mocked the fact that after five attempt of being in the HOC He failed . Same goes for any party he's repercented not one of there Canadates have been in HOC. EU funering llegals to the northern .French coast. Isn't that Down to Brexiters wHere the Fault lies? What are the agreements on irregular migration between France and the UK? There is a long history of UK–French cooperation over immigration controls at their shared borders. This has been formalised through a series of bilateral agreements, including the Sangatte Protocol (1991) and the Treaty of Le Touquet (2003). The latter allowed for France and the UK to carry out immigration controls in each other’s territories at seaports. In November 2016 post Brexit the Government forced the French To close through illegal immigration camps down what was near the port of Calais where Asylum seekers would jump Feright lorries And cross the Channel .This was insisted by the post Brexit Government. This was done despite the warnings from Asylum seekers agencies that this would move the Refuges to other unmanned costall areas and they Would seek Alternative Dangerous method to Cross the channel. This move encouraged the illegal trade of people Smuggling with the Asylum seekers paying vast amount of money up to £5000 Euros. That Vinny like it all not how the illegal trade in people Smuggling developed.
If you believe the trade in people smuggling started in 2016 then you are more out of touch than I thought you were..  |
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