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Post by Totheleft on Jan 24, 2024 16:28:56 GMT
A part of the Breixt campaign was to.prevent such things happening because we can check there passports. I'm sure you. Know full well that FOM allowed entry into the country for EU members and the immigration control was very relaxed. And my first post is about a murderer who had his own passport and was allowed immigration status by the Home office even doe he was jailed at the Age of 16 forkilling 2 people. Yes but the guy used a false identity to enter the UK - are you claiming that such things never happen in the EU?. He was also in the process of claiming asylum in the UK - if you are suggesting we shouldn't entertain asylum claims from people who arrive from the EU, then I'm sure a lot of people on this forum would support you. Thus is the Case I'm. Referring to the there no. Mention of him using a false passport and you know that because of him seeking Refuge status 2018, a 16-year-old boy called Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai shot dead two men in Serbia with a burst of eighteen bullets from a Kalashnikov automatic rifle. Four years later he murdered again – inflicting a fatal stab wound on 21-year-old Thomas Roberts. Roberts, whose ambition was to join the Royal Marines, was killed because he had tried to break up an argument between Abdulrahimzai and another man on a street in Bournemouth. Think your on about the Guy undernieve who used a false passport . Are you suggesting that the Boarder Controls are more Stricter on them Seeking Asylum post Brexit. Lol think the upsurge in Boat people came after Brevity. Before that it was Crossing the Chanel in the Back of Lorries |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 24, 2024 16:41:38 GMT
So because sometimes people can get in using false passports we shouldn't try to stop it happening?
What next, because sometimes people drive without a licence, tax or insurance we shouldn't have the licence, tax or insurance system?
Because sometimes people get burgled we shouldn't have door locks?
Because sometimes people get murdered we shouldn't have police?
Because sometimes people get murdered with firearms we shouldn't have controls?
Do you realise how absurd the "no borders" argument is?
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 24, 2024 18:21:04 GMT
So because sometimes people can get in using false passports we shouldn't try to stop it happening? What next, because sometimes people drive without a licence, tax or insurance we shouldn't have the licence, tax or insurance system? Because sometimes people get burgled we shouldn't have door locks? Because sometimes people get murdered we shouldn't have police? Because sometimes people get murdered with firearms we shouldn't have controls? Do you realise how absurd the "no borders" argument is? Vinny you know to well I pointed out the Murderer in my first post who killed the Royal. Marine trainee had a official Passport .just admit Brexit. Has failed once again in what it Should Achieve. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 24, 2024 18:57:48 GMT
Yes but the guy used a false identity to enter the UK - are you claiming that such things never happen in the EU?. He was also in the process of claiming asylum in the UK - if you are suggesting we shouldn't entertain asylum claims from people who arrive from the EU, then I'm sure a lot of people on this forum would support you. Thus is the Case I'm. Referring to the there no. Mention of him using a false passport and you know that because of him seeking Refuge status He was not using his own passport because he lied about his age - so should we, as a matter of protection, not admit asylum seekers from the EU?. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 24, 2024 19:19:37 GMT
Thus is the Case I'm. Referring to the there no. Mention of him using a false passport and you know that because of him seeking Refuge status He was not using his own passport because he lied about his age - so should we, as a matter of protection, not admit asylum seekers from the EU?. Whof Said He lied about his Age it wouldn't be the D.M would it lol Has for Asylum seekers and stopping them No Certainly not seeing the Government's Home office failed in is ÀSYLUM application and gave him Refugee status. It seems to be a Abbit of yours pasing the Blame on something else instead where it lies with the Conservative government. Post Brexit |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 24, 2024 21:26:14 GMT
Left, the simple truth is that no matter what system there is, bad things will sometimes happen. We have gun controls, but that didn't stop a scumbag in Liverpool shooting a child dead in her own home. There's been too many gun murders in Liverpool in recent years, linked to drug gangs.
Does the failure of gun control there make a case for the abolition of all controls? Of course not.
But going back to the original post, under the previous system of immigration, there were no controls.
There were economic migrants coming here without skills, without funds, without jobs to go to, who ended up on the streets homeless.
There were criminals who took advantage of having a passport with European Union written on the front, who used freedom of movement to carry out international serial killings.
There were Romanian pickpockets and even slavers.
The system didn't work.
It doesn't have a common legal system, a common welfare system, a common tax system, it doesn't even have wage parity.
It doesn't work.
And that's the issue.
Whatabouttery doesn't make a difference it doesn't work.
Their mistakes are no longer able to affect us unless we let them.
Our government's mistakes are a matter for a different thread.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 24, 2024 21:47:59 GMT
Left, the simple truth is that no matter what system there is, bad things will sometimes happen. We have gun controls, but that didn't stop a scumbag in Liverpool shooting a child dead in her own home. There's been too many gun murders in Liverpool in recent years, linked to drug gangs. Does the failure of gun control there make a case for the abolition of all controls? Of course not. But going back to the original post, under the previous system of immigration, there were no controls. There were economic migrants coming here without skills, without funds, without jobs to go to, who ended up on the streets homeless. There were criminals who took advantage of having a passport with European Union written on the front, who used freedom of movement to carry out international serial killings. There were Romanian pickpockets and even slavers. The system didn't work. It doesn't have a common legal system, a common welfare system, a common tax system, it doesn't even have wage parity. It doesn't work. And that's the issue. Whatabouttery doesn't make a difference it doesn't work. Their mistakes are no longer able to affect us unless we let them. Our government's mistakes are a matter for a different thread. Vinny out of respect to you I don't want to insult you but your Talking Rubbish There were economic migrants coming here without skills, without funds, without jobs to go to, who ended up on the streets homeless. Have you seen the latest stats on immigration i posted on this section It's Something like 60%+ stated on there visas the reason for Coming was family. Compared to the minority of EU immigrants That come to the UK in 2023 There main reason on there visas was work. So it Shows Brexit failed if you say what was happening under the FOM. Has for ending up homeless you know that immigration is at a all time high . And homelessness in London reflects this with there bring 54% immigrants in the homeless count .that's rough Sleepers. Vinny your normally a man with ResoMable views .but on your pro Brexit.you Seem to. Lose the plots |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 24, 2024 22:02:09 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 24, 2024 22:18:14 GMT
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 25, 2024 2:37:13 GMT
That's determine by the Courts how they reached that conclusion. Nobody knows But She confirmed a previous review of the Home Office's role in processing his immigration status had been completed, but would be restricted during inquest proceedings as it could reveal procedures used when processing applicants. Was that a review previous to.the Murder ? If so and they found out he lied the immigration Authorities should of thrown him out . But if they found out he was older then 14 he would be allowed to stay |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 25, 2024 2:48:57 GMT
Vinny what you .posted in.no. way counter acts what I said about Immigration being a All time high and the rise in Homeless shows it with Immigrants making up.54% of Rough sleepers. I know there was homeless Immigrants during The FOM. The papers was full about Romaine Gypsies camping out in Regent park |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 25, 2024 2:57:15 GMT
This is what my article says at the time of the Conviction of the Murderder.
2018, a 16-year-old boy called Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai shot dead two men in Serbia with a burst of eighteen bullets from a Kalashnikov automatic rifle. Four years later he murdered again – inflicting a fatal stab wound on 21-year-old Thomas Roberts. Roberts, whose ambition was to join the Royal Marines, was killed because he had tried to break up an argument between Abdulrahimzai and another man on a street in Bournemouth.
Don't know where they got the information about his Age at the time he killed 2 men in.his own.Country.
But it shows he was 20.when. he comitted the Murder. Like I said if they had access of his age how come the so called stricter immigration services disn't.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 25, 2024 7:44:31 GMT
That's determine by the Courts how they reached that conclusion. Nobody knows But She confirmed a previous review of the Home Office's role in processing his immigration status had been completed, but would be restricted during inquest proceedings as it could reveal procedures used when processing applicants. Was that a review previous to.the Murder ? If so and they found out he lied the immigration Authorities should of thrown him out . But if they found out he was older then 14 he would be allowed to stay So you now agree that he was using a false ID - he certainly was not using his passport as that has your age written on it. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 25, 2024 7:49:41 GMT
That's determine by the Courts how they reached that conclusion. Nobody knows But She confirmed a previous review of the Home Office's role in processing his immigration status had been completed, but would be restricted during inquest proceedings as it could reveal procedures used when processing applicants. Was that a review previous to.the Murder ? If so and they found out he lied the immigration Authorities should of thrown him out . But if they found out he was older then 14 he would be allowed to stay So you now agree that he was using a false ID - he certainly was not using his passport as that has your age written on it. I don't agree with that at all . How do you jump to that conclusion? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 25, 2024 7:53:19 GMT
So you now agree that he was using a false ID - he certainly was not using his passport as that has your age written on it. I don't agree with that at all . How do you jump to that conclusion? OK - lets start again. I said - the guy used a false identity to enter the UK you said - no mention of him using a false passport So as he lied about his age to claim asylum, whose passport was he using? |
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