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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2024 7:18:58 GMT
For someone who is so certain of their opinions you dont seem very well informed - Starmer became an MP almost 10 years ago. So does Starmer still believe what he said in 2019? - or was he lying? I said what to.of done before he was a MP. Nothing to. Do with what happend while he was a MP. And I've not said anything about what he believes in today. Just stating what a Hypocrisy Farage had done one minute he calling our EU Cousins Causing Gettos and destroying our Culture Then in the Next breath saying he wanted to see more Black's in this country who would be more of fret to our supposed Culture them are European neighbours. In 2019 Starmer was a member of Corbyns Shadow Cabinet - so was he lying?. Or perhaps people can change their opinions... |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 24, 2024 12:50:31 GMT
Nigel Farage said mass immigration was making parts of the country appear "unrecognisable" and like "a foreign land" at Ukip's spring conference on Friday. The speech put immigration at the heart of Ukip's campaign for the European and local elections, Then say this More black people will be allowed into Britain if we leave the EU and immigration will become a 'non-issue', says Nigel Farage By Matt Dathan, Political Correspondent For Mailonline 09:02 08 Jun 2016, updated 18:54 08 Jun 2016 😂 Talk about Double speech Hypocrisy Dosent he know that Many from. The Commonwealth don't Share are Culture Values like our EU Friends . Some parts are, whether you like it or not.
There are people who do not and will not integrate and be sociable, who instead form a little ghetto, some deal drugs, and some even murder.
Here's Salman Rushdie making the point more eloquently.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 24, 2024 12:59:22 GMT
Nigel Farage said mass immigration was making parts of the country appear "unrecognisable" and like "a foreign land" at Ukip's spring conference on Friday. The speech put immigration at the heart of Ukip's campaign for the European and local elections, Then say this More black people will be allowed into Britain if we leave the EU and immigration will become a 'non-issue', says Nigel Farage By Matt Dathan, Political Correspondent For Mailonline 09:02 08 Jun 2016, updated 18:54 08 Jun 2016 😂 Talk about Double speech Hypocrisy Dosent he know that Many from. The Commonwealth don't Share are Culture Values like our EU Friends . Some parts are, whether you like it or not.
There are people who do not and will not integrate and be sociable, who instead form a little ghetto, some deal drugs, and some even murder.
Here's Salman Rushdie making the point more eloquently.
you know I'm very supportive of immigration vinmy And of Course I also know there Areas what you Call ghettos. I live in Rochdale don't forget. But I found it idiotic to Make a Statement saying Black's are more Kin to our so called Culture the our European cousins. I'm sure even you can see the stupidly in that Statement. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 24, 2024 13:06:06 GMT
People who come here integrate,speak our language, work, pay tax and obey our laws are welcome.
People who come, don't integrate, do commit crimes, and for that matter those who come without money, can't get a job and end up homeless, those we don't need.
Under the EU system, we could not judge a person by who they were, but by where they come from.
That meant murderers who had done time, and been released by their own countries, could come here, "look for work" (and look for victims) killing again and we could not stop them.
We had to look at the bit on their passport which said "European Union", not their criminal record.
Our own criminals, we can keep murderers locked up with whole life sentences.
Over there, when they have different laws which mandate the release of murderers after X number of years, it's problematic.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 24, 2024 13:55:46 GMT
People who come here integrate,speak our language, work, pay tax and obey our laws are welcome. People who come, don't integrate, do commit crimes, and for that matter those who come without money, can't get a job and end up homeless, those we don't need. Under eean Union", not their criminal record. Our own criminals, we can keep murderers locked up with whole life sentences. Over there, when they have different laws which mandate the release of murderers after X number of years, it's problematic. EU Union", not their criminal record. So Much for Controlling our Borders and tighter immigration Laws In 2018, a 16-year-old boy called Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai shot dead two men in Serbia with a burst of eighteen bullets from a Kalashnikov automatic rifle. Four years later he murdered again – inflicting a fatal stab wound on 21-year-old Thomas Roberts. Roberts, whose ambition was to join the Royal Marines, was killed because he had tried to break up an argument between Abdulrahimzai and another man on a street in Bournemouth. offender used a false identity to enter the UK after previously being jailed and deported for similar offences. Ion Rudacan, also known as Ion Paun, was convicted as part of Operation Elba, an operation by Greater Manchester Police to the trafficking of women for sex work in the north west. Despite being jailed and deported, the 36-year-old made repeated efforts to re-enter the UK. He managed to enter the UK illegally under a false name, and documents showed he had hired a car in Brighton in July. But he was arrested by officers from Sussex Police’s Tactical Firearms Unit who carried out a proactive check on his vehicle while on patrol in Marine Parade, Brighton, on September 4. Rudacan was charged with multiple offences, and was remanded in custody. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 24, 2024 13:56:05 GMT
People who come here integrate,speak our language, work, pay tax and obey our laws are welcome. People who come, don't integrate, do commit crimes, and for that matter those who come without money, can't get a job and end up homeless, those we don't need. Under eean Union", not their criminal record. Our own criminals, we can keep murderers locked up with whole life sentences. Over there, when they have different laws which mandate the release of murderers after X number of years, it's problematic. EU Union", not their criminal record. So Much for Controlling our Borders and tighter immigration Laws In 2018, a 16-year-old boy called Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai shot dead two men in Serbia with a burst of eighteen bullets from a Kalashnikov automatic rifle. Four years later he murdered again – inflicting a fatal stab wound on 21-year-old Thomas Roberts. Roberts, whose ambition was to join the Royal Marines, was killed because he had tried to break up an argument between Abdulrahimzai and another man on a street in Bournemouth. offender used a false identity to enter the UK after previously being jailed and deported for similar offences. Ion Rudacan, also known as Ion Paun, was convicted as part of Operation Elba, an operation by Greater Manchester Police to the trafficking of women for sex work in the north west. Despite being jailed and deported, the 36-year-old made repeated efforts to re-enter the UK. He managed to enter the UK illegally under a false name, and documents showed he had hired a car in Brighton in July. But he was arrested by officers from Sussex Police’s Tactical Firearms Unit who carried out a proactive check on his vehicle while on patrol in Marine Parade, Brighton, on September 4. Rudacan was charged with multiple offences, and was remanded in custody. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 24, 2024 13:57:50 GMT
Weren't you in favour of abolishing all border controls?
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 24, 2024 14:23:56 GMT
Weren't you in favour of abolishing all border controls? You mean open boarders yes . But what I pointing out is that if we left the EU we would have tighter boarder control. And can stop people Convicted of Murder coming in thats obviously not the Case . I remember you posting time and time again of a young Girl Murdered by A EU immigrant and you Kept saying this wouldn't happen. If we left the EU. That obviously isn't so. And we got Millions more immigrants now then before we had when we had FOM. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 24, 2024 14:31:37 GMT
It's impossible to totally control everything, there will always be a few mistakes.
But I would rather have a government try to do their best, than do nothing, which would be to make mistakes all the time.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 24, 2024 14:51:46 GMT
It's impossible to totally control everything, there will always be a few mistakes. But I would rather have a government try to do their best, than do nothing, which would be to make mistakes all the time. No vinny you was insistant it wouldn't happen if we left the EU.And used the murder of that Girl Several times to prove the point . |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 24, 2024 15:00:15 GMT
Much harder for it to happen without free movement, not impossible but much harder.
But, if mistakes happen sometimes abolish all controls? What next get rid of driving tests because a driver with no licence kills someone?
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 24, 2024 15:21:33 GMT
People who come here integrate,speak our language, work, pay tax and obey our laws are welcome. People who come, don't integrate, do commit crimes, and for that matter those who come without money, can't get a job and end up homeless, those we don't need. Under eean Union", not their criminal record. Our own criminals, we can keep murderers locked up with whole life sentences. Over there, when they have different laws which mandate the release of murderers after X number of years, it's problematic. EU Union", not their criminal record. So Much for Controlling our Borders and tighter immigration Laws In 2018, a 16-year-old boy called Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai shot dead two men in Serbia with a burst of eighteen bullets from a Kalashnikov automatic rifle. Four years later he murdered again – inflicting a fatal stab wound on 21-year-old Thomas Roberts. Roberts, whose ambition was to join the Royal Marines, was killed because he had tried to break up an argument between Abdulrahimzai and another man on a street in Bournemouth. offender used a false identity to enter the UK after previously being jailed and deported for similar offences. Ion Rudacan, also known as Ion Paun, was convicted as part of Operation Elba, an operation by Greater Manchester Police to the trafficking of women for sex work in the north west. Despite being jailed and deported, the 36-year-old made repeated efforts to re-enter the UK. He managed to enter the UK illegally under a false name, and documents showed he had hired a car in Brighton in July. But he was arrested by officers from Sussex Police’s Tactical Firearms Unit who carried out a proactive check on his vehicle while on patrol in Marine Parade, Brighton, on September 4. Rudacan was charged with multiple offences, and was remanded in custody. So people cannot enter the EU under a false identity - really? |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 24, 2024 15:40:16 GMT
EU Union", not their criminal record. So Much for Controlling our Borders and tighter immigration Laws In 2018, a 16-year-old boy called Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai shot dead two men in Serbia with a burst of eighteen bullets from a Kalashnikov automatic rifle. Four years later he murdered again – inflicting a fatal stab wound on 21-year-old Thomas Roberts. Roberts, whose ambition was to join the Royal Marines, was killed because he had tried to break up an argument between Abdulrahimzai and another man on a street in Bournemouth. offender used a false identity to enter the UK after previously being jailed and deported for similar offences. Ion Rudacan, also known as Ion Paun, was convicted as part of Operation Elba, an operation by Greater Manchester Police to the trafficking of women for sex work in the north west. Despite being jailed and deported, the 36-year-old made repeated efforts to re-enter the UK. He managed to enter the UK illegally under a false name, and documents showed he had hired a car in Brighton in July. But he was arrested by officers from Sussex Police’s Tactical Firearms Unit who carried out a proactive check on his vehicle while on patrol in Marine Parade, Brighton, on September 4. Rudacan was charged with multiple offences, and was remanded in custody. So people cannot enter the EU under a false identity - really? A part of the Breixt campaign was to.prevent such things happening because we can check there passports. I'm sure you. Know full well that FOM allowed entry into the country for EU members and the immigration control was very relaxed. And my first post is about a murderer who had his own passport and was allowed immigration status by the Home office even doe he was jailed at the Age of 16 forkilling 2 people. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 24, 2024 15:50:30 GMT
NEWS
UK NEWS
EUROPEAN UNION
VOTE LEAVE
Brexit Campaign Vote Leave Publishes List Of European Criminals Allowed To Come To Britain
Branded 'scaremongering of the worst kind'.
By
Jack Sommers
29/03/2016 09:16am BST
Updated 2016-03-29T11:36:28+01:00
A pro-Brexit campaign group has been accused of "scaremongering of the worst kind" for publishing a dossier detailing how some of Europe's most dangerous criminals were able to move to Britain despite convictions for brutal crimes.
Murderers and child rapists are among 50 offenders, identified as "most wanted" by Vote Leave, that have headed to the UK under freedom of movement laws.
Britain has allowed European judges to "hang out a welcome sign", the group claimed, triggering another almighty row over the tactics being used in the referendum debate.
Vote leave Key people
Gisela Stuart (chair)
Matthew Elliott (CEO)
Dominic Cummings (campaign director)
Victoria Woodcock (operations director and company secretary)
Thomas Borwick (CTO)
Henry de Zoete (digital director)
Michael Gove
Boris Johnson
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 24, 2024 16:04:57 GMT
So people cannot enter the EU under a false identity - really? A part of the Breixt campaign was to.prevent such things happening because we can check there passports. I'm sure you. Know full well that FOM allowed entry into the country for EU members and the immigration control was very relaxed. And my first post is about a murderer who had his own passport and was allowed immigration status by the Home office even doe he was jailed at the Age of 16 forkilling 2 people. Yes but the guy used a false identity to enter the UK - are you claiming that such things never happen in the EU?. He was also in the process of claiming asylum in the UK - if you are suggesting we shouldn't entertain asylum claims from people who arrive from the EU, then I'm sure a lot of people on this forum would support you. |
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