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Post by Totheleft on Jan 19, 2024 20:51:34 GMT
No it wasn't but it's true what's your point ? The point is why are you are flagging up the Rwanda issue as a reason why Brexit hasn’t worked when you claim it’s insignificant? Because sandi Said our Government can Make its own decisions now were out of EU. I used The Rwanda case has a example that's isn't so no matter how insignificant it Is |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2024 20:55:03 GMT
The point is why are you are flagging up the Rwanda issue as a reason why Brexit hasn’t worked when you claim it’s insignificant? Because sandi Said our Government can Make its own decisions now were out of EU. I used The Rwanda case has a example that's isn't so no matter how insignificant it Is Ok so you will understand that leaving the EU gives us the ability to control our own borders . The problem lies with other factors . |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 19, 2024 21:02:34 GMT
Because sandi Said our Government can Make its own decisions now were out of EU. I used The Rwanda case has a example that's isn't so no matter how insignificant it Is Ok so you will understand that leaving the EU gives us the ability to control our own borders . The problem lies with other factors . Obviously not if there other factors can stop. It control noun 1. the power to influence or direct people's behaviour or the course of events. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2024 21:15:12 GMT
Ok so you will understand that leaving the EU gives us the ability to control our own borders . The problem lies with other factors . Obviously not if there other factors can stop. It control noun 1. the power to influence or direct people's behaviour or the course of events. These factors were here while we were a member of the EU. Now we have one less factor that stops us having control over a ( according to the left ) an insignificant number of illegal immigrants . On the other hand ex remainers are whining that we do not have enough migrants to do some jobs . So unless those ex remainers are making this up , they are acknowledging that there is a significant reduction in migrants to the UK. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 19, 2024 21:58:37 GMT
Obviously not if there other factors can stop. It control noun 1. the power to influence or direct people's behaviour or the course of events. These factors were here while we were a member of the EU. Now we have one less factor that stops us having control over a ( according to the left ) an insignificant number of illegal immigrants . On the other hand ex remainers are whining that we do not have enough migrants to do some jobs . So unless those ex remainers are making this up , they are acknowledging that there is a significant reduction in migrants to the UK. Oh my don't know how you Come to that conclusion. But you are the Master of Twisting things And deceivement |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2024 22:04:02 GMT
These factors were here while we were a member of the EU. Now we have one less factor that stops us having control over a ( according to the left ) an insignificant number of illegal immigrants . On the other hand ex remainers are whining that we do not have enough migrants to do some jobs . So unless those ex remainers are making this up , they are acknowledging that there is a significant reduction in migrants to the UK. Oh my don't know how you Come to that conclusion. But you are the Master of Twisting things And deceivement It seems every time you realise that your argument fails , you cry about me ‘ twisting things’. What other conclusions can anyone with more than two brain cells come to? We must have less migrants otherwise the ex remainers wouldn’t be moaning that we haven’t enough migrants and the problem about ‘ insignificant’ number of channel crossers has lost one less hurdle to overcome to control it . Its not rocket science . |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 19, 2024 22:08:31 GMT
But your post said we were letting in more migrants on non-work visas - that is a decision by the government over what migrants they want. It is the definition of control. I thought Brexit idea of Control was to accept workers or semi skilled workers. Especially Skilled workers? But what you Got is Family Visas who would more likely take up permanent Residents in the UK. Not that I'm worried but pointing out what a lie Brexit was. I expect you won't moan about immigration anymore seeing the Government controls Immigration so Much After Brexit lol.of course I will moan - in fact I will moan even louder as, unlike before, the Government can do something about it. It now has control. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 19, 2024 22:17:08 GMT
I thought Brexit idea of Control was to accept workers or semi skilled workers. Especially Skilled workers? But what you Got is Family Visas who would more likely take up permanent Residents in the UK. Not that I'm worried but pointing out what a lie Brexit was. I expect you won't moan about immigration anymore seeing the Government controls Immigration so Much After Brexit lol.of course I will moan - in fact I will moan even louder as, unlike before, the Government can do something about it. It now has control. OK so why didn't one of the main proponents of Brexit do something about it when he was PM are you saying he wasn't a real Brexiteer |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 19, 2024 22:28:30 GMT
Oh my don't know how you Come to that conclusion. But you are the Master of Twisting things And deceivement It seems every time you realise that your argument fails , you cry about me ‘ twisting things’. What other conclusions can anyone with more than two brain cells come to? We must have less migrants otherwise the ex remainers wouldn’t be moaning that we haven’t enough migrants and the problem about ‘ insignificant’ number of channel crossers has lost one less hurdle to overcome to control it . Its not rocket science . Don't really understand that gibberish But I try any way what ex remainers are moaning we don't have don't have enough migrants, One less hurdle to over come . But you haven't have you even with one less hurdle. It isn't Rocket science is it . |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 19, 2024 22:38:12 GMT
I thought Brexit idea of Control was to accept workers or semi skilled workers. Especially Skilled workers? But what you Got is Family Visas who would more likely take up permanent Residents in the UK. Not that I'm worried but pointing out what a lie Brexit was. I expect you won't moan about immigration anymore seeing the Government controls Immigration so Much After Brexit lol. Brexit was to regain the ability to do things, what is happening is our politicians doing it, it is not the EU. If we vote them out they will stop doing it however if we vote in someone that wants to carry on doing then that is still control exercised by the British electorate. It was always the case that control will reside in parliament that is accountable only to the British people. There is still a long way to go to ensure that is what occurs but we are getting there. That's correct, it's actually the essence of sovereignty. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2024 22:39:51 GMT
It seems every time you realise that your argument fails , you cry about me ‘ twisting things’. What other conclusions can anyone with more than two brain cells come to? We must have less migrants otherwise the ex remainers wouldn’t be moaning that we haven’t enough migrants and the problem about ‘ insignificant’ number of channel crossers has lost one less hurdle to overcome to control it . Its not rocket science . Don't really understand that gibberish But I try any way what ex remainers are moaning we don't have don't have enough migrants, One less hurdle to over come . But you haven't have you even with one less hurdle. It isn't Rocket science is it . Memory troubles ? . Many ex remainers complain that we don’t have enough migrants to fill the vacant jobs . Including you iirc. If we don’t have enough migrants to fill the vacant jobs then we must have less migrants than when we were in the EU . Leaving the EU has made one less hurdle to stop uncontrolled immigration . I can’t make it any simpler . Its a bit rich , you accusing me of gibberish .lol. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 19, 2024 22:45:17 GMT
of course I will moan - in fact I will moan even louder as, unlike before, the Government can do something about it. It now has control. OK so why didn't one of the main proponents of Brexit do something about it when he was PM are you saying he wasn't a real Brexiteer You have this weird idea that brexit supporters all have the same view about everything - they, like all groups, have people with a range of different views. I'll remind you that brexit supporters ranged from the likes of socialists like Tony Benn, through centrists like Frank Field and Boris Johnson to right wing politicians like Jacob Rees-Mogg. It was a big tent. The only thing they all agreed on was that they didn't want to be controlled by an unelected foreign entity. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 19, 2024 22:49:40 GMT
Don't really understand that gibberish But I try any way what ex remainers are moaning we don't have don't have enough migrants, One less hurdle to over come . But you haven't have you even with one less hurdle. It isn't Rocket science is it . Memory troubles ? . Many ex remainers complain that we don’t have enough migrants to fill the vacant jobs . Including you iirc. If we don’t have enough migrants to fill the vacant jobs then we must have less migrants than when we were in the EU . Leaving the EU has made one less hurdle to stop uncontrolled immigration . I can’t make it any simpler . Its a bit rich , you accusing me of gibberish .lol. Ha ha that's right we don't have enough Immingham to fill the Vacan't jobs My point is since Brexit we have more None EU people who are not looking for jobs but the reason on there Visa is family reasons. Do you get it? It's nothing to do with. How much immigration we have . |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2024 22:52:32 GMT
Memory troubles ? . Many ex remainers complain that we don’t have enough migrants to fill the vacant jobs . Including you iirc. If we don’t have enough migrants to fill the vacant jobs then we must have less migrants than when we were in the EU . Leaving the EU has made one less hurdle to stop uncontrolled immigration . I can’t make it any simpler . Its a bit rich , you accusing me of gibberish .lol. Ha ha that's right we don't have enough Immingham to fill the Vacan't jobs My point is since Brexit we have more None EU people who are not looking for jobs but the reason on there Visa is family reasons. Do you get it? It's nothing to do with. How much immigration we have . So you agree that leaving the EU has decreased immigration . Good man . If the government is allowing family visas it’s because they have control over immigration . TSM tried to tell you that but it didn’t seem to stick . |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 19, 2024 23:00:01 GMT
OK so why didn't one of the main proponents of Brexit do something about it when he was PM are you saying he wasn't a real Brexiteer You have this weird idea that brexit supporters all have the same view about everything - they, like all groups, have people with a range of different views. I'll remind you that brexit supporters ranged from the likes of socialists like Tony Benn, through centrists like Frank Field and Boris Johnson to right wing politicians like Jacob Rees-Mogg. It was a big tent. The only thing they all agreed on was that they didn't want to be controlled by an unelected foreign entity. Yes I understand that many far left wing Supporters wanted Brexit there a Couple . In here. But the 2 main reasons people voted for Brexit was 1;Get our sovereignty back what with the Rwanda case shows we haven't. 2 Control immigration what again we obviously haven't But don't know what your Answer got to witn what I said about Boris |
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