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Post by sandypine on Jan 27, 2024 13:40:32 GMT
You gave the definition of pride, I was only asking from whom do you perceive to accept admiration which is an intrinsic part of the definition of pride. You cannot be proud of something that has no outstanding features over others. It is like being proud of being number 26, it has no meaning unless you perceive in some way it is something special and you believe that specialness is perceived by others in some way. here we go again.... I have a feeling of deep pleasure in Scotlands achievements , and the achievements of the Scottish people . You ignore what im saying continually , and then scratch around In the dirt cherry picking one single part of the many definitions of the word pride to suit your puerile argument. repeat after me sandy. Thomas doesn't care who does or doesnt admire scotland. Keep saying it till it sinks in .. "Widely admired" is quite important in that definition, by whom? You caring is not important, you believing it is true is what makes you proud. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 13:43:31 GMT
We know all that sandy. The English king was an anglo Norman , just as the present English king is a saxe Coburg gotta , a German by family descent. The English crown hasn't had an English family in charge since that wee guy who got his eye taken out at Hastings. What matters is the family name , and bloodline , not where you are born. Whats you excuse for ireland being an English colony under Henry 8ths Tudor re invasions , or Mary tudors plantations of English colonists ? Dermott mcmurrough was king of Leinster , not ireland. He was deposed under Irish law , had no legitimate claim over Leinster , let alone ireland , and is merely a puerile and poorly made excuse for legitimising English and anglo Norman invasions of the island of ireland. its guff , which Irish weans could pick apart. I have no excuse I was merely observing that Ireland was not necessarily England's first colony and the history is much more complicated. you just can't help yourself telling lies , and wriggling in the process can you sandy. You didnt merely observe that ireland wasn't necessarily England first colony. You blatantly said it wasn't a colony at all. page five of the thread I quote.... Ireland was not a colony of England |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 13:44:50 GMT
here we go again.... I have a feeling of deep pleasure in Scotlands achievements , and the achievements of the Scottish people . You ignore what im saying continually , and then scratch around In the dirt cherry picking one single part of the many definitions of the word pride to suit your puerile argument. repeat after me sandy. Thomas doesn't care who does or doesnt admire scotland. Keep saying it till it sinks in .. "Widely admired" is quite important in that definition, by whom? You caring is not important, you believing it is true is what makes you proud. Try re reading the first sentence , the bit before and after the comma in my post. If you can't read it and understand it , then I can't be of further help as your comprehension level is non existent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2024 18:33:12 GMT
here we go again.... I have a feeling of deep pleasure in Scotlands achievements , and the achievements of the Scottish people . You ignore what im saying continually , and then scratch around In the dirt cherry picking one single part of the many definitions of the word pride to suit your puerile argument. repeat after me sandy. Thomas doesn't care who does or doesnt admire scotland. Keep saying it till it sinks in .. "Widely admired" is quite important in that definition, by whom? You caring is not important, you believing it is true is what makes you proud. It's all about hating England, which is why their allies are IRA/Bidenites and Marxists, and why personal abuse and tantrums is their only argument when faced with relevant questions. Proud of hating England and lying to the people seems to basically sum it up, as seen by the way they're even attacking Welsh folk who see through their BS. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 27, 2024 19:07:25 GMT
I have no excuse I was merely observing that Ireland was not necessarily England's first colony and the history is much more complicated. you just can't help yourself telling lies , and wriggling in the process can you sandy. You didnt merely observe that ireland wasn't necessarily England first colony. You blatantly said it wasn't a colony at all. page five of the thread I quote.... Ireland was not a colony of EnglandIn context I said Ireland was a Norman/Angevin/Welsh colony or if you wish a colony of a colonised England under the Normans. That is not 'wriggling' that is purely putting it into historical context and I was dealing exactly with the point in time you were referring to. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 27, 2024 19:13:10 GMT
"Widely admired" is quite important in that definition, by whom? You caring is not important, you believing it is true is what makes you proud. Try re reading the first sentence , the bit before and after the comma in my post. If you can't read it and understand it , then I can't be of further help as your comprehension level is non existent. And then all I asked was by whom were they widely admired in your perception. By the English? By the Welsh? By anyone? If you are proud of the achievements then that must mean you think others admire those achievements. For clarity I am not saying you are wrong to be proud I am just seeking clarity as what it is you are proud of. If it is just the Scottish who are proud of themselves then they are no different to any group of people anywhere. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 27, 2024 19:16:42 GMT
"Widely admired" is quite important in that definition, by whom? You caring is not important, you believing it is true is what makes you proud. It's all about hating England, which is why their allies are IRA/Bidenites and Marxists, and why personal abuse and tantrums is their only argument when faced with relevant questions. Proud of hating England and lying to the people seems to basically sum it up, as seen by the way they're even attacking Welsh folk who see through their BS. Being Scottish I know how active English hatred can be in some and it seems to cloud all other judgements. My wife was really looking forward to living in Scotland but 25 years of occasional low level hate has taken its toll. I hasten to add it is not as widespread as some fear but it still exists. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 19:22:17 GMT
you just can't help yourself telling lies , and wriggling in the process can you sandy. You didnt merely observe that ireland wasn't necessarily England first colony. You blatantly said it wasn't a colony at all. page five of the thread I quote.... Ireland was not a colony of EnglandIn context I said Ireland was a Norman/Angevin/Welsh colony or if you wish a colony of a colonised England under the Normans. That is not 'wriggling' that is purely putting it into historical context and I was dealing exactly with the point in time you were referring to. its been explained ,and re explained to you on numerous occasions now sandy. You go away having been caught out , think what to write ,then come back spouting the same guff. Henry the second was king of England , and declared ireland as an English colony belonging to the English crown through right of conquest. Even if you dont accept that , we have other English invasions and colonising to look at via the Tudor reconquests under Henry the 8th. you are wriggling sandy , and resorting to telling lies in the process , lies I have highlighted earlier. every thread you involve yourself in ends the same way , repeating the same guff over and over as though you think you can keep telling the same lie time and again people will believe you through sheer boredom. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 19:22:45 GMT
Try re reading the first sentence , the bit before and after the comma in my post. If you can't read it and understand it , then I can't be of further help as your comprehension level is non existent. And then all I asked was by whom were they widely admired in your perception. Me. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 19:24:19 GMT
It's all about hating England, which is why their allies are IRA/Bidenites and Marxists, and why personal abuse and tantrums is their only argument when faced with relevant questions. Proud of hating England and lying to the people seems to basically sum it up, as seen by the way they're even attacking Welsh folk who see through their BS. Being Scottish I know how active English hatred can be in some and it seems to cloud all other judgements. My wife was really looking forward to living in Scotland but 25 years of occasional low level hate has taken its toll. I hasten to add it is not as widespread as some fear but it still exists. can't you two get a room to whine in self pity , and leave the rest of us in peace and quiet.? |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 27, 2024 19:28:08 GMT
And then all I asked was by whom were they widely admired in your perception. Me. Because...? |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 27, 2024 19:28:54 GMT
Being Scottish I know how active English hatred can be in some and it seems to cloud all other judgements. My wife was really looking forward to living in Scotland but 25 years of occasional low level hate has taken its toll. I hasten to add it is not as widespread as some fear but it still exists. can't you two get a room to whine in self pity , and leave the rest of us in peace and quiet.? I am observing from within. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 27, 2024 19:41:28 GMT
In context I said Ireland was a Norman/Angevin/Welsh colony or if you wish a colony of a colonised England under the Normans. That is not 'wriggling' that is purely putting it into historical context and I was dealing exactly with the point in time you were referring to. its been explained ,and re explained to you on numerous occasions now sandy. You go away having been caught out , think what to write ,then come back spouting the same guff. Henry the second was king of England , and declared ireland as an English colony belonging to the English crown through right of conquest. Even if you dont accept that , we have other English invasions and colonising to look at via the Tudor reconquests under Henry the 8th. you are wriggling sandy , and resorting to telling lies in the process , lies I have highlighted earlier. every thread you involve yourself in ends the same way , repeating the same guff over and over as though you think you can keep telling the same lie time and again people will believe you through sheer boredom. You have tried all over the shop to explain what a colony is and then cannot accept that the English were colonised themselves and it was not the English that colonised Ireland it was the colonial power in England. Once we get to the Tudors etc I am not, have not and will not say Ireland was not a colony but it was also a colony of Scotland certainly in Ulster in the 17th century. You cannot lay it all at the door of the English. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 28, 2024 10:13:42 GMT
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Post by thomas on Jan 28, 2024 10:14:22 GMT
can't you two get a room to whine in self pity , and leave the rest of us in peace and quiet.? I am observing from within. observing what? the end of the union and your navel gazing about empire ?crack on. |
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