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Post by Pacifico on Jan 18, 2024 15:38:31 GMT
Leader of Scottish National Party unhappy about being thought of as a Nationalist...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2024 15:43:12 GMT
Was he chasing the dragon when he joined?
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 18, 2024 15:53:08 GMT
Leader of Scottish National Party unhappy about being thought of as a Nationalist... We're continually being told that the conservatives aren't conservatives anymore, so why should they be nationalists? |
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Post by thomas on Jan 18, 2024 16:42:55 GMT
Leader of Scottish National Party unhappy about being thought of as a Nationalist... If that's what he has said then it's a nonsense. Mere virtue signalling. Im a nationalist. That means im a scot , who is proud of my nationality and country , but I don't believe im better than anyone else or that Scotland is superior . There are many different types of nationalist , some bad some good. Bit of a stupid thing to say , but I suppose in terms of how the snp currently stand , they should maybe change the name to the Scottish devolutionist party . anyway , moving on from the latest brit nat snp bad story.....
Scottish independence in the EU would be better than the Union, Scots say
FRESH poll analysis has shown most Scots believe leaving the UK and joining the EU would be better for the country.
A survey by Redfield and Wilton Strategies asked voters whether Scotland would be more likely to experience a variety of outcomes as part of the Union outside the EU, or as part of the EU and outside the Union.
The outcomes explored included more immigration, higher wages, a stronger economy, lower cost of living and a less polarised public.
Analysis by expert Alex Scholes – writing for Professor John Curtice’s blog What Scotland Thinks – showed almost every outcome was framed positively for Scotland being an independent country in the EU.
Scholes said the poll, conducted last summer, made it clear Brexit and EU membership would be a key issue at any future independence referendum for Scotland…
…For the most part voters believe that an independent Scotland would be accepted into the EU. In this Redfield & Wilton poll, 47% said it was ‘likely’ or ‘very likely’ that the EU would accept an independent Scotland’s application, while only 27% thought it ‘unlikely’ or ‘very unlikely’.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 8:39:30 GMT
It really is no different to when the Scot Nats were forming alliances with the German Nazi government when they were preparing for the UK's defeat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 13:47:26 GMT
Was he chasing the dragon when he joined? He'd probably prefer S.I.P. Scottish Islamic Party or S.P.P. Scottish Palestinian Party. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 19, 2024 18:33:04 GMT
Leader of Scottish National Party unhappy about being thought of as a Nationalist... He's in the wrong party then, isn't he. Did he not read the large print?  |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 20, 2024 17:03:45 GMT
Leader of Scottish National Party unhappy about being thought of as a Nationalist... If that's what he has said then it's a nonsense. Mere virtue signalling. Im a nationalist. That means im a scot , who is proud of my nationality and country , but I don't believe im better than anyone else or that Scotland is superior . There are many different types of nationalist , some bad some good. Bit of a stupid thing to say , but I suppose in terms of how the snp currently stand , they should maybe change the name to the Scottish devolutionist party . anyway , moving on from the latest brit nat snp bad story.....
Scottish independence in the EU would be better than the Union, Scots say
FRESH poll analysis has shown most Scots believe leaving the UK and joining the EU would be better for the country.
A survey by Redfield and Wilton Strategies asked voters whether Scotland would be more likely to experience a variety of outcomes as part of the Union outside the EU, or as part of the EU and outside the Union.
The outcomes explored included more immigration, higher wages, a stronger economy, lower cost of living and a less polarised public.
Analysis by expert Alex Scholes – writing for Professor John Curtice’s blog What Scotland Thinks – showed almost every outcome was framed positively for Scotland being an independent country in the EU.
Scholes said the poll, conducted last summer, made it clear Brexit and EU membership would be a key issue at any future independence referendum for Scotland…
…For the most part voters believe that an independent Scotland would be accepted into the EU. In this Redfield & Wilton poll, 47% said it was ‘likely’ or ‘very likely’ that the EU would accept an independent Scotland’s application, while only 27% thought it ‘unlikely’ or ‘very unlikely’.
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I am confused you are proud of your nationality and your country but if it is equal to all other countries and nationalities that begs the question why? I am proud to be British because I think in the lottery of life being born British is something special as the people and the country are the best. For some reason some wish to see that destroyed and it is not clear why. I confess my view is coloured by my birth and upbringing but is that so wrong? |
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Post by thomas on Jan 20, 2024 17:09:10 GMT
If that's what he has said then it's a nonsense. Mere virtue signalling. Im a nationalist. That means im a scot , who is proud of my nationality and country , but I don't believe im better than anyone else or that Scotland is superior . There are many different types of nationalist , some bad some good. Bit of a stupid thing to say , but I suppose in terms of how the snp currently stand , they should maybe change the name to the Scottish devolutionist party . anyway , moving on from the latest brit nat snp bad story.....
Scottish independence in the EU would be better than the Union, Scots say
FRESH poll analysis has shown most Scots believe leaving the UK and joining the EU would be better for the country.
A survey by Redfield and Wilton Strategies asked voters whether Scotland would be more likely to experience a variety of outcomes as part of the Union outside the EU, or as part of the EU and outside the Union.
The outcomes explored included more immigration, higher wages, a stronger economy, lower cost of living and a less polarised public.
Analysis by expert Alex Scholes – writing for Professor John Curtice’s blog What Scotland Thinks – showed almost every outcome was framed positively for Scotland being an independent country in the EU.
Scholes said the poll, conducted last summer, made it clear Brexit and EU membership would be a key issue at any future independence referendum for Scotland…
…For the most part voters believe that an independent Scotland would be accepted into the EU. In this Redfield & Wilton poll, 47% said it was ‘likely’ or ‘very likely’ that the EU would accept an independent Scotland’s application, while only 27% thought it ‘unlikely’ or ‘very unlikely’.
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I am confused you are proud of your nationality and your country but if it is equal to all other countries and nationalities that begs the question why? I am proud to be British because I think in the lottery of life being born British is something special as the people and the country are the best. For some reason some wish to see that destroyed and it is not clear why. I confess my view is coloured by my birth and upbringing but is that so wrong? don't understand your post. ? Im saying my nationality isn't better or worse than anyone elses. Why does that beg a question ? who has said you can't be British ? you are British in terms of national id , and im not. im Scottish. Neither of those are wrong , they are merely in conflict with each other . The union with England has clearly been the greatest disaster to befall Scotland in our nations history. We lost our language , much of our culture , our very independence and ability to do our own things like most other normal independents nations. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 20, 2024 17:10:57 GMT
If that's what he has said then it's a nonsense. Mere virtue signalling. Im a nationalist. That means im a scot , who is proud of my nationality and country , but I don't believe im better than anyone else or that Scotland is superior . There are many different types of nationalist , some bad some good. Bit of a stupid thing to say , but I suppose in terms of how the snp currently stand , they should maybe change the name to the Scottish devolutionist party . anyway , moving on from the latest brit nat snp bad story.....
Scottish independence in the EU would be better than the Union, Scots say
FRESH poll analysis has shown most Scots believe leaving the UK and joining the EU would be better for the country.
A survey by Redfield and Wilton Strategies asked voters whether Scotland would be more likely to experience a variety of outcomes as part of the Union outside the EU, or as part of the EU and outside the Union.
The outcomes explored included more immigration, higher wages, a stronger economy, lower cost of living and a less polarised public.
Analysis by expert Alex Scholes – writing for Professor John Curtice’s blog What Scotland Thinks – showed almost every outcome was framed positively for Scotland being an independent country in the EU.
Scholes said the poll, conducted last summer, made it clear Brexit and EU membership would be a key issue at any future independence referendum for Scotland…
…For the most part voters believe that an independent Scotland would be accepted into the EU. In this Redfield & Wilton poll, 47% said it was ‘likely’ or ‘very likely’ that the EU would accept an independent Scotland’s application, while only 27% thought it ‘unlikely’ or ‘very unlikely’.
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I am confused you are proud of your nationality and your country but if it is equal to all other countries and nationalities that begs the question why? I am proud to be British because I think in the lottery of life being born British is something special as the people and the country are the best. For some reason some wish to see that destroyed and it is not clear why. I confess my view is coloured by my birth and upbringing but is that so wrong? when you say some wish to see Britain destroyed , you mean of course the uk union , and that some according to the latest Redfield and wilton poll is 50 % . with as we know the over 65 age group being the only age group in Scotland with a unionist majority. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 20, 2024 17:35:25 GMT
I am confused you are proud of your nationality and your country but if it is equal to all other countries and nationalities that begs the question why? I am proud to be British because I think in the lottery of life being born British is something special as the people and the country are the best. For some reason some wish to see that destroyed and it is not clear why. I confess my view is coloured by my birth and upbringing but is that so wrong? when you say some wish to see Britain destroyed , you mean of course the uk union , and that some according to the latest Redfield and wilton poll is 50 % . with as we know the over 65 age group being the only age group in Scotland with a unionist majority. Actually no I did not I meant that creating a different Britain is the same as destroying the old. How that is done is of course a moot point and Scottish separatism could be part of that. I would suggest that Scotland being joined at the hip to the rest of the UK is better than being joined at the hip to the rest of Europe as the eventual destruction of independent states is largely a work in progress. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 20, 2024 18:03:33 GMT
when you say some wish to see Britain destroyed , you mean of course the uk union , and that some according to the latest Redfield and wilton poll is 50 % . with as we know the over 65 age group being the only age group in Scotland with a unionist majority. Actually no I did not I meant that creating a different Britain is the same as destroying the old. How that is done is of course a moot point and Scottish separatism could be part of that. I would suggest that Scotland being joined at the hip to the rest of the UK is better than being joined at the hip to the rest of Europe as the eventual destruction of independent states is largely a work in progress. Scotland hasn't destroyed the old uk. Ireland left a century ago , nothing to do with us , the English government left Northern Ireland in the eu , nothing to do with us , and it was an English government in London that ended the old unitary state. The uk has been destroying itself , from its heady days in 1801 to its current situation. I disagree with the rest of your post , as does half the population according to polls , and clearly regarding Europe , you are in a tiny minority in Scotland. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 20, 2024 19:26:49 GMT
Actually no I did not I meant that creating a different Britain is the same as destroying the old. How that is done is of course a moot point and Scottish separatism could be part of that. I would suggest that Scotland being joined at the hip to the rest of the UK is better than being joined at the hip to the rest of Europe as the eventual destruction of independent states is largely a work in progress. Scotland hasn't destroyed the old uk. Ireland left a century ago , nothing to do with us , the English government left Northern Ireland in the eu , nothing to do with us , and it was an English government in London that ended the old unitary state. The uk has been destroying itself , from its heady days in 1801 to its current situation. I disagree with the rest of your post , as does half the population according to polls , and clearly regarding Europe , you are in a tiny minority in Scotland. I am not saying Scotland did destroy the old UK but it is part of the process irrespective of the wishes of whatever majority you wish to consider. It is not an English government in London it is a UK government, I agree that leaving NI in the EU is foolish act, or a deliberate act, dependant on your viewpoint. I come back to the pride question why do you have pride in your country and Nationality if it is in all respects equal to all other countries and Nationalities? As I said I have pride in Britain but that is because I believe that Britain is, or was, the best in most respects. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 20, 2024 19:59:39 GMT
Scotland hasn't destroyed the old uk. Ireland left a century ago , nothing to do with us , the English government left Northern Ireland in the eu , nothing to do with us , and it was an English government in London that ended the old unitary state. The uk has been destroying itself , from its heady days in 1801 to its current situation. I disagree with the rest of your post , as does half the population according to polls , and clearly regarding Europe , you are in a tiny minority in Scotland. I am not saying Scotland did destroy the old UK but it is part of the process irrespective of the wishes of whatever majority you wish to consider. It is not an English government in London it is a UK government, I agree that leaving NI in the EU is foolish act, or a deliberate act, dependant on your viewpoint. I come back to the pride question why do you have pride in your country and Nationality if it is in all respects equal to all other countries and Nationalities? As I said I have pride in Britain but that is because I believe that Britain is, or was, the best in most respects. of course it s part of the process. The fact though is many people outside Scotland in other parts of the uk past and present are vehemently against maintaining this union. Even English mps like Caroline Lucas are beginning to talk about it. what do you mean irrespective of the wishes of the majority? im not arguing semantics , it was predominantly an English government in London that negotiated the deal that left Northern Ireland in the EU. The Scottish government had no say. you talk as though its mutually exclusive to have pride in Scotland. , and being Scottish , but accepting we are no more or less than other nations. Why can't I hold those views? good for you. I don't have that view. If I thought the same I wouldn't obviously be a Scottish independence supporter. You have to ask why , after three centuries , so many Scots want out of this union if it's so good. why have so many countries 65 in total at least , been desperate to leave London rule if it was is fucking marvellous? |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 20, 2024 20:07:30 GMT
I am not saying Scotland did destroy the old UK but it is part of the process irrespective of the wishes of whatever majority you wish to consider. It is not an English government in London it is a UK government, I agree that leaving NI in the EU is foolish act, or a deliberate act, dependant on your viewpoint. I come back to the pride question why do you have pride in your country and Nationality if it is in all respects equal to all other countries and Nationalities? As I said I have pride in Britain but that is because I believe that Britain is, or was, the best in most respects. of course it s part of the process. The fact though is many people outside Scotland in other parts of the uk past and present are vehemently against maintaining this union. Even English mps like Caroline Lucas are beginning to talk about it. what do you mean irrespective of the wishes of the majority? im not arguing semantics , it was predominantly an English government in London that negotiated the deal that left Northern Ireland in the EU. The Scottish government had no say. you talk as though its mutually exclusive to have pride in Scotland. , and being Scottish , but accepting we are no more or less than other nations. Why can't I hold those views? good for you. I don't have that view. If I thought the same I wouldn't obviously be a Scottish independence supporter. You have to ask why , after three centuries , so many Scots want out of this union if it's so good. why have so many countries 65 in total at least , been desperate to leave London rule if it was is fucking marvellous? Do you wish to try again, you said you are proud of your country and your Nationality I was only asking why you have that pride, what about Scotland and teh Scottish makes you proud? At least I can explain why I am proud of being British. Give it a go. |
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