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Post by thomas on Feb 6, 2024 15:49:14 GMT
This is false. I said ireland was the first colony of england in my original post on page 4. You replied on page 5 , it was not a colony of England . You disingenuously ignored the vast majority of history of the last 849 years to this day in your original post , and started waffling about the normans. I accept your surrender on this point , and you agree now with my original contention that ireland was an English colony for the majority of the last 8 centuries of history. you are back arguing semantics as normal , trying to retreat and cover your tracks in the process. `was not ` has a ring of finality to it. as well as being dishonest , you dont appear to be able to count either. 849 years to this day. you keep waffling and refusing to accept the evidence of your eyes , while offering nothing in return except `sandy says`. I pointed out the original treaty of Windsor mentions the king of England and the English 12 times in 1175 . We have the letter to pope John 22nd , in the year 1317 from domhnall o Neil in the harle manuscript in the British museum talking about English claims over ireland , (not Norman) and English colonists living in ireland. O Neil is very specific. can ignore the evidence all you like , as you ignored the last link in my previous post , and carry on screaming its not the English all day long , but it doesn't make you right. I see there is determination to blame the English at all costs, you misquoted me again by omitting my qualifying clause as to why I said Ireland was not a colony of England it was a Norman/Angevin/Welsh colony. ok for clarity , can you tell me the period ireland was not a colony of England please using dates?
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Post by borchester on Feb 6, 2024 17:01:03 GMT
I see there is determination to blame the English at all costs, you misquoted me again by omitting my qualifying clause as to why I said Ireland was not a colony of England it was a Norman/Angevin/Welsh colony. ok for clarity , can you tell me the period ireland was not a colony of England please using dates? Probably any time prior to 1600.
Before that the English had their garrisons, but by and large Ireland was run by its own warlords.
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Post by thomas on Feb 6, 2024 17:07:31 GMT
ok for clarity , can you tell me the period ireland was not a colony of England please using dates? Probably any time prior to 1600.
Before that the English had their garrisons, but by and large Ireland was run by its own warlords.
Sandy is having great difficulty with dates and the meaning of words borkie , so im just coaxing him along .
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Post by sandypine on Feb 6, 2024 18:48:06 GMT
Probably any time prior to 1600.
Before that the English had their garrisons, but by and large Ireland was run by its own warlords.
Sandy is having great difficulty with dates and the meaning of words borkie , so im just coaxing him along . The dates are clear, your acceptance of them is the problem. Colony seems clear to you is country equally as clear?
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Post by sandypine on Feb 6, 2024 18:48:29 GMT
I see there is determination to blame the English at all costs, you misquoted me again by omitting my qualifying clause as to why I said Ireland was not a colony of England it was a Norman/Angevin/Welsh colony. ok for clarity , can you tell me the period ireland was not a colony of England please using dates? Clarity would be much easier if you define what a country is. You included country in your definition of a colony yet so far cannot, or will not define what a country is
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 19:28:47 GMT
I understand the USA's president is a degenerate criminal who cheerled for the IRA, but still, imagine being as dishonest as these lot and wrongfully blaming the English for all of your woes.
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Post by morayloon on Feb 6, 2024 21:37:00 GMT
I understand the USA's president is a degenerate criminal who cheerled for the IRA, but still, imagine being as dishonest as these lot and wrongfully blaming the English for all of your woes. You are a pitiful person. Back up what you have been saying with some evidence. I know it will be very difficult for you, but please try!
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Post by thomas on Feb 7, 2024 8:13:16 GMT
Sandy is having great difficulty with dates and the meaning of words borkie , so im just coaxing him along . The dates are clear, your acceptance of them is the problem. Colony seems clear to you is country equally as clear? ok sandy.Can I then clarify you are saying you disagree ireland was a colony of England between 1175 to 1485? You agree ireland was a colony of England from 1485 (in part or fully) to the present day ?
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Post by thomas on Feb 7, 2024 8:14:51 GMT
ok for clarity , can you tell me the period ireland was not a colony of England please using dates? Clarity would be much easier if you define what a country is. You included country in your definition of a colony yet so far cannot, or will not define what a country is certainly sandy. Unlike you , im willing to stand under my flag and fight my corner . Here's the English dictionary definition of a country....
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Post by thomas on Feb 7, 2024 8:29:46 GMT
I understand the USA's president is a degenerate criminal who cheerled for the IRA, but still, imagine being as dishonest as these lot and wrongfully blaming the English for all of your woes.
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Post by thomas on Feb 7, 2024 8:31:43 GMT
I understand the USA's president is a degenerate criminal who cheerled for the IRA, but still, imagine being as dishonest as these lot and wrongfully blaming the English for all of your woes. You are a pitiful person. Back up what you have been saying with some evidence. I know it will be very difficult for you, but please try! just laugh at him moray. He is constantly baiting us on the Scottish threads looking for a reaction so he can run to mummy to tell her he is being cider bullied.
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Post by sandypine on Feb 7, 2024 9:25:25 GMT
Clarity would be much easier if you define what a country is. You included country in your definition of a colony yet so far cannot, or will not define what a country is certainly sandy. Unlike you , im willing to stand under my flag and fight my corner . Here's the English dictionary definition of a country.... Then Ireland was not made a colony of England in 1170 because England, and the English, did not have its own government it had a government imposed upon them by the Normans after conquest.
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Post by thomas on Feb 7, 2024 15:09:05 GMT
certainly sandy. Unlike you , im willing to stand under my flag and fight my corner . Here's the English dictionary definition of a country.... Then Ireland was not made a colony of England in 1170 because England, and the English, did not have its own government it had a government imposed upon them by the Normans after conquest. 1175 sandy. The English crown claimed ireland , invaded ireland , and colonised ireland from that point onwards.
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Post by thomas on Feb 7, 2024 15:09:42 GMT
certainly sandy. Unlike you , im willing to stand under my flag and fight my corner . Here's the English dictionary definition of a country.... Then Ireland was not made a colony of England in 1170 because England, and the English, did not have its own government it had a government imposed upon them by the Normans after conquest. you also haven't addressed my earlier post .
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Post by sandypine on Feb 7, 2024 20:03:17 GMT
Then Ireland was not made a colony of England in 1170 because England, and the English, did not have its own government it had a government imposed upon them by the Normans after conquest. you also haven't addressed my earlier post . It was an Angevin crown, just as when Henry VIII was proclaimed King of Ireland it was an English Crown and never became an Irish Crown despite there beimg a long line of Monarchs of Ireland You seem to want it both ways. Ireland was always a colony because it was an English Crown, England was never a colony of the Normans because they called it an English Crown. By your own definitions and applying them in the same way you apply them then Ireland was not a colony under the Tudors because Ireland had their own Crown and their own parliament. Which to a certain extent answers the question you said I did not address.
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